heydarian saeed
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Hi dear friend. No, I will not run away. I really do not understand what you mean? For the second time: Please explain to me the content of your previous post. Thanks a lot
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Hi dear friend. No, I will not run away. I really do not understand what you mean? For the second time: Please explain to me the content of your previous post. Thanks a lot
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
Your logic and philosophy are fundamentally flawed, as has been explained to you. I hope you have not forgotten.
Your examples of science in the Qu'ran are nonsense, as has been explained to you. I hope you have not forgotten.
Once again: if this is all you've got, you've got nothing.
Susheel
Illuminator
Here, I am reproducing it for you again. Tell me exactly what part of it you do not understand:
Tell me exactly what part of it you do not understand.
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
Hi dear friend. I have said for everyone and for you several times in my article: The way to prove the supernatural like what I believe; God - science - perception - soul is not through experimental sciences. It is only through logical and philosophical reasoning. I have said the way of reasoning and explaining it. And in this way I have proved the logic of the supernatural. You insist that I give evidence through the experimental sciences. Dear friend, these are not proven by experimental sciences because they are not made of matter. Only their signs and works are possible through experimental sciences and even seeing works with the naked eye. But they themselves are not seen. Did it become clear to you?
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
... Continue the article:
Article final:
I argue that the soul has a different creation from the body and is abstract from matter, and I also claim that man can create a living being. And even to simulate itself, I have cited verses from the Qur'an (14 from Surah Al-Mu'minun - 5 from Surah Al-Hajj and 9 from Surah Sajdah) and the principles of existential philosophy.
Explanation; At the end of verse 14 of Surah Al-Mu'minun, God praises Himself for creating such a perfect and beautiful creation that is human. But with his praise, he raises another important aspect. An important point here attracts attention. That God introduces himself as the "best Creator." The important point is that it says to man: First: Man is also a creator and can create.
And secondly: it motivates that human beings should also work in the field of creativity and innovation and create a hive. In this regard, it leaves the future open to man that you will be able to create a living being in the future! And we are witnessing and witnessing many instances of this kind of human creation in the present age...
Article final:
I argue that the soul has a different creation from the body and is abstract from matter, and I also claim that man can create a living being. And even to simulate itself, I have cited verses from the Qur'an (14 from Surah Al-Mu'minun - 5 from Surah Al-Hajj and 9 from Surah Sajdah) and the principles of existential philosophy.
Explanation; At the end of verse 14 of Surah Al-Mu'minun, God praises Himself for creating such a perfect and beautiful creation that is human. But with his praise, he raises another important aspect. An important point here attracts attention. That God introduces himself as the "best Creator." The important point is that it says to man: First: Man is also a creator and can create.
And secondly: it motivates that human beings should also work in the field of creativity and innovation and create a hive. In this regard, it leaves the future open to man that you will be able to create a living being in the future! And we are witnessing and witnessing many instances of this kind of human creation in the present age...
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
... Also in verse 9 of Surah Sajdah, after balancing the physical aspect of the fetus and being fully prepared, God breathed his soul into the fetus. In verse 5 of Surah Al-Hajj, after the development of the physical development of the fetus, God clearly shows His power, and after the fetus remains in the womb for a certain period of time, it gives birth to the baby and brings it out.
Therefore, based on the above verses, I deduce that; "Man can create a living being. Because, firstly, this verse is about the creation of human life and a living thing. And it raises the most complex living thing that is man. And secondly, in fact, God says that man can be a living being. "Build and even do your own simulation." This theory may not be consistent with the thinking of some. And even disagree with them. I recommend that it is better to refer to the text of the Qur'an and what God says. And get the answer to the ambiguities from the Qur'an itself. The word of God is accurate and complete...
Therefore, based on the above verses, I deduce that; "Man can create a living being. Because, firstly, this verse is about the creation of human life and a living thing. And it raises the most complex living thing that is man. And secondly, in fact, God says that man can be a living being. "Build and even do your own simulation." This theory may not be consistent with the thinking of some. And even disagree with them. I recommend that it is better to refer to the text of the Qur'an and what God says. And get the answer to the ambiguities from the Qur'an itself. The word of God is accurate and complete...
Susheel
Illuminator
Mojo
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What are these “signs and works”? How have they been observed by experimental science?
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
... My evidence in this regard is that: first; The human soul does not have any of the characteristics of matter, so it is from the supernatural world. Duma; The fetal body, after full development, is unable to move and perceive the senses. And it's basically not alive yet. And he has to go through the next step. These stages are: balancing all the organs of the body together and having life. And this stage occurs when the soul enters the body. The soul is not separate from the body. And the result is the evolution of the physical aspect. But sex is different from the body, which is material. Here are the signs and effects of the soul:
The fetus begins to move and perceive the senses. Which, of course, has not been possible before this stage. The time of this event is from 4 to 6 months of fetal age. To find out, you can use ultrasound and scan to start the movements and perception of the fetus's senses. To prove this claim and its correctness, the following ways are suggested:
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The fetus begins to move and perceive the senses. Which, of course, has not been possible before this stage. The time of this event is from 4 to 6 months of fetal age. To find out, you can use ultrasound and scan to start the movements and perception of the fetus's senses. To prove this claim and its correctness, the following ways are suggested:
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heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
... Statements of the pregnant mother at the age of 4 to 6 months about when she feels the movements and senses of the fetus. It is best for the mother to be monitored and controlled with relevant devices (such as ultrasound) and to observe all events live. You can make a relatively loud noise next to the pregnant mother to determine the fetus' senses. You will see that the fetus responds and causes a motor reaction.
If possible, you should be able to prepare and create the perfect conditions for the fetus to grow in the "laboratory". From the beginning to the end of fetal age, scan and observe all fetal movements with the relevant devices. You will see all the events I have claimed. The most important part of this claim is the moment the soul enters the body of the fetus at the age of 4 to 6 months. And after this stage, you will see the movements and perceptions of the fetus. If you do not believe, you can stop the growth of the fetus at 4 months (not cause the death of the fetus) and see if the next stage will occur? It is by no means possible for the next stage, which is the entry of the soul into the body of the fetus, to occur. And you will not see the movement of the fetus and the perception of the senses.
The difference between this method and the previous one is that you artificially want to control the entry of the soul into the fetus. And whenever you want the soul to enter the body or not. See what happens? The physical aspect of the fetus at the age of 4 months is medically complete and the fetus is mature. But you did not allow the next stage, which is the entry of the soul into the body, to take place, so the fetus is just a cell mass that has no life. Does not move. Perception has no senses. In the continuation of this experiment, you allow the conditions for the continuation of the embryonic stages to continue. You will see that the soul will enter the body and life will emerge. The movement and perception of the fetal senses will begin.
If possible, you should be able to prepare and create the perfect conditions for the fetus to grow in the "laboratory". From the beginning to the end of fetal age, scan and observe all fetal movements with the relevant devices. You will see all the events I have claimed. The most important part of this claim is the moment the soul enters the body of the fetus at the age of 4 to 6 months. And after this stage, you will see the movements and perceptions of the fetus. If you do not believe, you can stop the growth of the fetus at 4 months (not cause the death of the fetus) and see if the next stage will occur? It is by no means possible for the next stage, which is the entry of the soul into the body of the fetus, to occur. And you will not see the movement of the fetus and the perception of the senses.
The difference between this method and the previous one is that you artificially want to control the entry of the soul into the fetus. And whenever you want the soul to enter the body or not. See what happens? The physical aspect of the fetus at the age of 4 months is medically complete and the fetus is mature. But you did not allow the next stage, which is the entry of the soul into the body, to take place, so the fetus is just a cell mass that has no life. Does not move. Perception has no senses. In the continuation of this experiment, you allow the conditions for the continuation of the embryonic stages to continue. You will see that the soul will enter the body and life will emerge. The movement and perception of the fetal senses will begin.
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
... I'm ready to take this test. And to be a close observer of this important event.
Advances in science have made it possible to achieve the above experiment. Although there is still a long way to go. But it has been done. And it is possible to do it. Let me give you an example.
Researchers have tried to keep the embryos alive after seven days of development, which is when the embryo is normally implanted in the uterus. "Magdanela Zernicka, a senior researcher at the University of Cambridge in the UK, told the Wall Street Journal:
This period is a period of our lives in which some of the most important biological decisions of the body are made. This phenomenon is quite similar to a black box of the embryonic development process that we have not yet had access to.
In their experiment, they were able to keep blastocysts alive by placing fertile embryos in a culture medium consisting of growth factors as well as hormones designed to mimic uterine conditions, which is unprecedented in its kind. The petri dish also has a wall similar to the wall of the uterus that the fetus can contact and attach to its set.
The research team has found very important points even in this initial study. For example, they found that early embryonic development in humans differed from other animals, such as mice. To everyone's surprise, the human fetus was able to organize itself outside the womb and could form very early forms of human organs without any biological support or attachment to the mother's body. The group's second researcher, Ali Brivanlou of Rockefeller University, said in a press conference:
Advances in science have made it possible to achieve the above experiment. Although there is still a long way to go. But it has been done. And it is possible to do it. Let me give you an example.
Researchers have tried to keep the embryos alive after seven days of development, which is when the embryo is normally implanted in the uterus. "Magdanela Zernicka, a senior researcher at the University of Cambridge in the UK, told the Wall Street Journal:
This period is a period of our lives in which some of the most important biological decisions of the body are made. This phenomenon is quite similar to a black box of the embryonic development process that we have not yet had access to.
In their experiment, they were able to keep blastocysts alive by placing fertile embryos in a culture medium consisting of growth factors as well as hormones designed to mimic uterine conditions, which is unprecedented in its kind. The petri dish also has a wall similar to the wall of the uterus that the fetus can contact and attach to its set.
The research team has found very important points even in this initial study. For example, they found that early embryonic development in humans differed from other animals, such as mice. To everyone's surprise, the human fetus was able to organize itself outside the womb and could form very early forms of human organs without any biological support or attachment to the mother's body. The group's second researcher, Ali Brivanlou of Rockefeller University, said in a press conference:
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
... We have been able to observe the process of self-organization in human embryonic stem cells as well as mouse cells. But we can not accurately predict whether this will happen in the whole human tissue. What is certain is that, surprisingly, the human fetus was able to grow normally in the first 12 days without any contact with the mother's body.
Knowing this important point can help researchers to understand and understand many things. Questions such as; Why do up to 70% of embryo implants fail during IVF? Why do some birth defects occur at birth? Or why do so many pregnancy processes end in the very early stages? The important point is that this achievement can bring them one step closer to increasing and improving the rates of successful pregnancies.
But the experiment also contained important ethical aspects. Both groups completed their experiments 14 days ago. To prevent breaking the law called the 14-day restriction law.
Knowing this important point can help researchers to understand and understand many things. Questions such as; Why do up to 70% of embryo implants fail during IVF? Why do some birth defects occur at birth? Or why do so many pregnancy processes end in the very early stages? The important point is that this achievement can bring them one step closer to increasing and improving the rates of successful pregnancies.
But the experiment also contained important ethical aspects. Both groups completed their experiments 14 days ago. To prevent breaking the law called the 14-day restriction law.
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
... Under a law passed in 1980, lawmakers sought to prevent scientists from progressing beyond the limits. For this process, they have chosen a time limit of 14 days, which is when a weak cluster of cells called a primitive streak forms. These cells actually form the early stages of the embryonic form.
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
... On the other hand, it is possible to observe different stages of fertilization, sperm formation and fetal growth using embryoscope technology without any disturbance. This device is equipped with a magnifying camera that allows accurate observation of the egg.
Once the egg is fertilized with sperm, it is placed in an embryoscope and the egg is photographed every 20 minutes to quickly detect any problems.
In this part, I have to mention two important things:
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Once the egg is fertilized with sperm, it is placed in an embryoscope and the egg is photographed every 20 minutes to quickly detect any problems.
In this part, I have to mention two important things:
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Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
The foetus begins to move and perceive when it reaches the stage of development at which that naturally occurs. No soul is required for this to happen, it just means the baby has reached that point in its development.
https://web.archive.org/web/2007021...cy.org/duringpregnancy/firstfetalmovement.htm
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
Hello. Do you think illness or death is the work of God? Unless you live in nature and the material world! And be in another world. What is the cause of illness and death? Is it because of God?
Susheel
Illuminator
Gaslight alert....
...to no avail.
I know the above is unfair editing
for all this effort, but posts are approaching 1k and I read only a couple dozens so far. Is there any post by heydarian saeed other readers would address me to as interesting or the above summary is accurate enough? Thank youPixel42
Schrödinger's cat
I don't believe in God. The ugliness - and the beauty - of nature are, for me, both a natural consequence of evolution by natural selection.
Nature is a set of laws. There is no conscious entity out there which can be praised for nature's beauty, or criticised for its ugliness.
If there was - if God did exist - then he should certainly be criticised for nature's ugliness just as much as he's praised for its beauty. I was pointing out that, for reasons they rarely even try to explain, believers in God only seem to do the former, as you did in the post to which I was responding.
But for me the question doesn't arise. Because I don't believe in God.
Cosmic Yak
Philosopher
I have lived in the universe all my life, and I have never once seen any gods, nor any evidence for any gods.
Can you give an example?
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