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Dear Heydarian, We know you have been indoctrinated with the Quran since you were 5 years old. But why don't you take some time off from reading and promoting the Quran to read the following page, which is a list of contradictions in the Quran. Bearing in mind the Quran itself says if it were not from God you would find contradictions in it.

https://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/index.html

Quran surah 4.82

Sahih International: Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah , they would have found within it much contradiction.

Pickthall: Will they not then ponder on the Qur'an? If it had been from other than Allah they would have found therein much incongruity.

Yusuf Ali: Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.

Shakir: Do they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy.

Muhammad Sarwar: Will they not ponder on the Quran? Had it not come from someone other than God, they would have certainly found therein many contradictions.

Mohsin Khan: Do they not then consider the Quran carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much contradictions.

Arberry: What, do they not ponder the Koran? If it had been from other than God surely they would have found in it much inconsistency.
 
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Scorpion said:
The verse I referred to is 67.5 which states the heaven is adorned with lamps and these lamps are missiles to throw at the evil ones.

Muhammad was referring to the stars and calls them lamps, and that's all he knew about anything.
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Hi. No. Read the meaning of the Qur'an correctly. And get it from the right source. That these meanings that you write or are incomplete. Or he has many mistakes. If you want to read the Qur'an correctly and as it is, please refer to its correct sources. Good luck.
 
The two-dimensional discussion of objects in black holes and wormholes and parallel worlds in the Qur'an:
As you know, according to the theory of parallel universes, there may be an infinite number of other universes parallel to our universe in the universe that move in the form of bubbles.
And sometimes they even collide and merge, scientists say, wormholes are one of the possible ways these worlds relate to each other.
According to a number of theories, some of our universe was transported to our universe by a wormhole during another Big Bang explosion. Wormholes are a kind of gap in space and time that can act as a bridge between two parallel worlds. As a result, they can also be a bridge between us and other worlds.
In addition, there are theories that say that when an object falls into a black hole, it is transported to another world through a wormhole. ...
 
... In Surah 78, verse 19, it is written about the description of the Day of Judgment:
And the sky opens and there are many doors. 19 And the mountains flow as a mirage.
This verse can apply exactly to the day when our earth or world is to be destroyed, or even to human beings being transferred to another parallel world in which heaven and hell exist, because in order for human beings to be transferred to another world, they must A wormhole-like path opens. In addition, black holes and wormholes are both cracks and doors in the sky, because space and time did not exist in them, and they act as cracks, even if they open, the meaning of this verse indicates he does.
Verse 20 also beautifully confirms the meaning of verse 19 because if the earth is to be placed inside a black hole or wormhole, the shape, dimensions and physical shape of objects will change.
In this verse, the Holy Quran mentions the mountains, which are the largest objects on earth, which come in two dimensions.
In 9 suras and 9 verses of them, the event of the splitting of the sky and the opening of the gates of the sky is mentioned. (25/25-55/37- 69/16- 73/18- 77/9-78/19-81/11- 82/1- 84/1 ) In 11 suras and 15 verses of them, the event of Smooth
the mountains is mentioned.( 101/5- 56/4;5;6 - 77/10- 78/20- 70/9- 81/3- 52/10- 69/14- 73/14- 20/105;106;107- 18/47 )
The Qur'an is a book of complete science.
Please those who doubt the scientificity of the Qur'an. Read without prejudice and freely. Think well.
 
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Dear Heydarian, We know you have been indoctrinated with the Quran since you were 5 years old. But why don't you take some time off from reading and promoting the Quran to read the following page, which is a list of contradictions in the Quran. Bearing in mind the Quran itself says if it were not from God you would find contradictions in it.

https://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/index.html

Quran surah 4.82

Sahih International: Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah , they would have found within it much contradiction.

Pickthall: Will they not then ponder on the Qur'an? If it had been from other than Allah they would have found therein much incongruity.

Yusuf Ali: Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.

Shakir: Do they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy.

Muhammad Sarwar: Will they not ponder on the Quran? Had it not come from someone other than God, they would have certainly found therein many contradictions.

Mohsin Khan: Do they not then consider the Quran carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much contradictions.

Arberry: What, do they not ponder the Koran? If it had been from other than God surely they would have found in it much inconsistency.
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I did not understand your message. Well, dear friend, all these verses that you said say that if the Qur'an was not from God, you will see many contradictions in it. Do you see a contradiction in the Qur'an? Please let us know if you see it so we can review and respond. There is no contradiction in the Qur'an. Be sure. There are similar verses. There are verses that say a specific part of the discussion but the whole is in another verse.
But the contradiction is not seen at all.
 
heydarian saeed said:
I did not understand your message. Well, dear friend, all these verses that you said say that if the Qur'an was not from God, you will see many contradictions in it. Do you see a contradiction in the Qur'an? Please let us know if you see it so we can review and respond. There is no contradiction in the Qur'an. Be sure. There are similar verses. There are verses that say a specific part of the discussion but the whole is in another verse.
But the contradiction is not seen at all.
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Two things here. Yes, there are contradictions and these have been pointed out in this very thread. Secondly, even if there are no contradictions, it does not follow that the Quran is the work of god. There are many works by authors with no "contradictions" in them.
 
heydarian saeed said:
I did not understand your message. Well, dear friend, all these verses that you said say that if the Qur'an was not from God, you will see many contradictions in it. Do you see a contradiction in the Qur'an? Please let us know if you see it so we can review and respond. There is no contradiction in the Qur'an. Be sure. There are similar verses. There are verses that say a specific part of the discussion but the whole is in another verse.
But the contradiction is not seen at all.
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See the following web page for a long list of contradictions:


https://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/index.html
 
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heydarian saeed said:
Hi. No. Read the meaning of the Qur'an correctly. And get it from the right source. That these meanings that you write or are incomplete. Or he has many mistakes. If you want to read the Qur'an correctly and as it is, please refer to its correct sources. Good luck.
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Quran 67.5

Sahih International: And We have certainly beautified the nearest heaven with stars and have made [from] them what is thrown at the devils and have prepared for them the punishment of the Blaze.

Pickthall: And verily We have beautified the world's heaven with lamps, and We have made them missiles for the devils, and for them We have prepared the doom of flame.

Yusuf Ali: And we have, (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with Lamps, and We have made such (Lamps) (as) missiles to drive away the Evil Ones, and have prepared for them the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.

Shakir: And certainly We have adorned this lower heaven with lamps and We have made these missiles for the Shaitans, and We have prepared for them the chastisement of burning.

Muhammad Sarwar: We have decked the lowest heavens with torches. With these torches We have stoned the devils and We have prepared for them the torment of hell.

Mohsin Khan: And indeed We have adorned the nearest heaven with lamps, and We have made such lamps (as) missiles to drive away the Shayatin (devils), and have prepared for them the torment of the blazing Fire.

Arberry: And We adorned the lower heaven with lamps, and made them things to stone Satans; and We have prepared for them the chastisement of the Blaze.
 
heydarian saeed said:
Hi. No. Read the meaning of the Qur'an correctly. And get it from the right source.
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Does the possibility that it's you that's getting the meaning incorrect, because you're getting it from the wrong source, ever even cross your mind?

Your latest attempt to summarise modern cosmology is even more inept and hilarious than your previous ones, btw.
 
heydarian saeed said:
The two-dimensional discussion of objects in black holes and wormholes and parallel worlds in the Qur'an:As you know, according to the theory of parallel universes, there may be an infinite number of other universes parallel to our universe in the universe that move in the form of bubbles.
And sometimes they even collide and merge, scientists say, wormholes are one of the possible ways these worlds relate to each other.
According to a number of theories, some of our universe was transported to our universe by a wormhole during another Big Bang explosion. Wormholes are a kind of gap in space and time that can act as a bridge between two parallel worlds. As a result, they can also be a bridge between us and other worlds.
In addition, there are theories that say that when an object falls into a black hole, it is transported to another world through a wormhole. ...
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The Koran says not a single word about black holes, worm-holes or any multiverse. And I doubt if any verse talks of “parallel worlds" either … please produce that verse and lets see what it really says.

I expect what it actually talks about are 7 or “several” layers of “heaven”, and where it says the Earth also has a similar number of layers.

You can find exactly the same sort of descriptions in the Christian biblical writing that came 500 years before the Koran! So the Koran was not new when it said things like that. In fact, further back even than that, IIRC since around 500BC famous Greco-Roman period philosophers had described the universe in drawings which showed what they believed to be the structure of the entire universe as a series of overlapping arcs or spheres with the Earth at the centre and with various layers to the skies above the earth … that was the picture and the belief of those philosophers at that time as the most educated intellectual people on the planet, and that was about 1000 years before anyone ever wrote a word of the Koran!

In the religious writing of the earliest NT biblical period (e.g., around 50AD to 100AD in the writing called the Ascent of Isaiah, for example) the writer talks of being transported through the various layers of the heavens where he sees various different religious things.

So none of that would be new if it was written down 500 to as much as 1000 years later in the first copies of the Koran. And none of it would be talking about any such thing as a Big Bang Multiverse! It would just be copying what those early philosophers had already described and already drawn as diagrams showing various levels of space above the Earth.

Of course all those ancient philosophers and their later religious copyists were in any case entirely wrong about the structure of the "heavens", ie "space", because there really are no such layers in the way they believed.
 
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The following is copied from the web page of contradictions from answering Islam I posted. It is clearly highlighting a contradiction that the pharaoh was saved and in later verses, he was drowned.

In Sura 10:92, Allah speaks to Pharaoh who ferociously chased the Children of Israel, "But this day We save you in your body, that you may be a portent for those after you." Although this verse makes it clear that Allah saved Pharaoh from drowning, Suras 28:40, 17:103, and 43:55 contradict this, stating that Pharaoh was drowned: "Therefore We seized him and his hosts and abandoned them unto the sea ... But We drowned him and those with him, all together ... And [We] drowned them, everyone."
 
heydarian saeed said:
Hi. No. Read the meaning of the Qur'an correctly. And get it from the right source. That these meanings that you write or are incomplete. Or he has many mistakes. If you want to read the Qur'an correctly and as it is, please refer to its correct sources. Good luck.
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The most exceptional thing about religion is that religion can mean whatever wants religion to mean.
 
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