• Security incident: ISF was recently accessed by intruders. Please change your password, and change it anywhere else you used it. Read more

The Socratic Method is a hoax

That's not the Method.

I'm pretty sure I already acknowledged the distinction between asking clarifying questions and asking leading questions.
Leading questions can generally be counteracted by an appeal to getting appropriate definition of terms, assumptions and conditions. That I believe is why leading questions are questioned in trials, because witnesses are not generally equipped to quibble with manipulative assumptions.
 
That's not the Method.

I'm pretty sure I already acknowledged the distinction between asking clarifying questions and asking leading questions.
Follow up reply: the Wikipedia summary lead-off you started this thread with (The Socratic method is a form of argumentative dialogue in which an individual probes a conversation partner on a topic, using questions and clarifications, until the partner is pressed to come to a conclusion on their own, or else their reasoning breaks down and they are forced to admit ignorance) does not go on to suggest necessary elements is the use of leading questions, begging the question, and the rest of the add-ons. Questioning and clarifications.

Are you using a different definition than the one you provided, or do you think your slant is better or alternative, or...?

Eta: as JayUtah said at the beginning of the thread (I reread it to make sure i had your starting premise right) if used in good faith, it's not inherently dishonest. I see it as a bit of a rhetorical way of asking legit questions without having the claimant control the parameters.
 
Last edited:
Yes, because trying to force a resistant adversary into conceding your claim through leading questions is necessarily condescending and question-begging. You've gone from just explaining your position to trying to win.
What method would you use to force a resistant adversary into conceding your claim?
 
Leading questions can generally be counteracted by an appeal to getting appropriate definition of terms, assumptions and conditions.
Which to me is tedious beyond tedious. Nothing says to me that a debate is going nowhere like an argument about terminology. If someone's going to be shifty about definitions, you might as well just give up trying to have a reasonable conversation, and walk away.

That I believe is why leading questions are questioned in trials, because witnesses are not generally equipped to quibble with manipulative assumptions.
My view is that courts are a special context that has significantly different rules and expectations.
 
Last edited:
What method would you use to force a resistant adversary into conceding your claim?
I wouldn't, is my point. Make your argument - premises, evidence, argument, conclusion - and let people decide for themselves whether you've convinced them.

Why is it so important to you to force rhetorical concessions from them?
 
Last edited:
Which to me is tedious beyond tedious. Nothing says to me that a debate is going nowhere like an argument about terminology. If someone's going to be shifty about definitions, you might as well just give up trying to have a reasonable conversation, and walk away.


My view is that courts are a special context that has significantly different rules and expectations.
Got it.
 
I wouldn't, is my point. Make your argument - premises, evidence, argument, conclusion - and let people decide for themselves whether you've convinced them.

Why is it so important to you to force rhetorical concessions from them?
Because, it's about being honest. The concessions aren't rhetorical. If you won't agree to the validity of the premises, you can sidestep the conclusion. That's basic syllogistic logic. If you accept the major and minor premise of a syllogism, it is irrational to deny the conclusion.
 
I wouldn't, is my point. Make your argument - premises, evidence, argument, conclusion - and let people decide for themselves whether you've convinced them.

Why is it so important to you to force rhetorical concessions from them?
Again, it isn't.

I'm not using the Socratic method to force rhetorical concessions from people, I'm using it to teach them something!
 

ISF - Join now!

Every member here is approved by hand. No bots, no spam, just people who care about evidence and honest debate.

Membership is free!

Create your free account

Back
Top Bottom