The Skeleton Key to Mystical Interpretation

Limbo said:
There are better ways for science, reason and the skeptics to conduct the search for truth than by unleashing rabid attack dogs. Sure they can search, but they don't spare babies in bathwater. And when your dogs return from their grim "search", all you see is a bloody muzzle.
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Baby eating athiests!!

Holy stereotype, Batman!!
 
Limbo said:
I don't agree. If the skeptics use the strategy of indulging in mockery and intolerance and the 'guffaw' factor like a bunch of children, then they are going to have to accept the consequences. Not me. One of those consequences is pissing people off who then, surprise, don't want to talk to that skeptic anymore.

Oh its probably no big deal, because sooner or later most of us woo-woos leave anyway, after being subjected to X amount of JREF intolerance. But sometimes we stick around and the ignore list accumulates. Like I am. I like collecting asshats on my ignore list. If JREFers don't like it, then they can always decide to quit resorting to the asshat strategy so much. They are gonna need thicker hearts and souls if they want to make real headway with me.
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Did it ever occur to you that no one wants to make headway with you.
 
tsig said:
You're ignoring many teachable moments. Seems more like preaching to me.
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Underneath the presentation Limbo does have something to offer -- he just does a poor job of communicating it. Just listen to what he has to say and question where needed; try to meet him half way :)
 
Limbo said:
But then we come back to a point I made earlier which is, even if I wished to I couldn't address every poster, every post. Theres too many people, too many bullies. Who gets left out?

No, my criteria is this. If I read a post, and I feel a vibe to ignore that person, I do. Let them home in on me like buzzards. Thats fine with me. If JREF wants to tolerate a cancer of buzzards slowly growing in its belly, then I will be only too happy to help it along like a Pied Piper.
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You aspire to be a Pied Piper of buzzards? Well I hear they're attracted to dead meat.
 
AkuManiMani said:
Underneath the presentation [B]Limbo[/B] does have something to offer -- he just does a poor job of communicating it. Just listen to what he has to say and question where needed; try to meet him half way :)
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Or he's a great, king, jackleg narcissist.
 
AkuManiMani said:
Underneath the presentation Limbo does have something to offer -- he just does a poor job of communicating it. Just listen to what he has to say and question where needed; try to meet him half way :)
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What does he have to say?
 
AkuManiMani said:
One's "soul" is their consciousness, the contents of their character, and psyche. Its just a fancy mystical sounding label for a "self".
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A strange way of labeling things, but I'll play along.

In that case, I share wardenclyffe's curiosity. From what is my sense of self being saved?
 
tsig said:
What does he have to say?
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Yeah, reading what he has to say and trimming the fat always ends up with " your not open minded enough." with a side of " **** you." i have yet to see anything informative in anything limbo has posted. Not that it surprises me, him being a troll and all.

I mean i would love to see any internet forum in which his is an acceptable method of communication. Heck i would like to see any social group in which his is an acceptable method of communication. I have been hip deep into woo, and his style of posting just doesn't synch up with a legitimate believer. His posting is obviously what someone who is trying to imitate a hip deep believer would post.

The best way i can describe it is like the difference between the way a child acts, and the way an adult trying to act like a child acts. There are certain traits that only come about when someone is attempting to act like a different type of person. And limbo exhibits them all.
 
Limbo said:
Its not for no reason. I have reasons I think he would accept. :)
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And that is?

Limbo said:
Oh yes. Not only do the findings of comparative mythology and the other comparative fields support the idea, but my own mystical experiences prove it to me many times over. Its real and it goes by many names.
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I require citation. Just saying that some theories support it and you have seen it is not good enough evidence for a "collective consciousness".

In fact, there are no answers in this thread, only things that you have mentioned elsewhere like needing to read comparative religion, mythology and mysticism with no sources given other than some mentions of Jung and Campbell in response to people. Not that I am saying it isn't true, I'm just saying that this thread doesn't really answer much. It's like saying I will teach you how to build a rocket, and then telling you to go read some books on rockets.
 
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Zanders said:
And that is?



I require citation. Just saying that other fields support it and you have seen it is not good enough evidence for a "collective consciousness".

In fact, there are no answers in this thread, only things that you have mentioned elsewhere like needing to read comparative religion, mythology and mysticism with no sources given other than some mentions of Jung and Campbell in response to people. Not that I am saying it isn't true, I'm just saying that this thread doesn't really answer much. It's like saying I will teach you how to build a rocket, and then telling you to go read some books on rockets.
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More like saying I will help you build your own telescope, so that you can see the otherside for yourself. Telescope is the way Sam Harris puts it. Part of the scope is those comparative fields. Another part is experiences. Would you like to experience a shamanic dream of the collective unconscious? One designed to give you a mystical insight into its nature?
 
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sadhatter said:
Yeah, reading what he has to say and trimming the fat always ends up with " your not open minded enough." with a side of " **** you." i have yet to see anything informative in anything limbo has posted. Not that it surprises me, him being a troll and all.

I mean i would love to see any internet forum in which his is an acceptable method of communication. Heck i would like to see any social group in which his is an acceptable method of communication. I have been hip deep into woo, and his style of posting just doesn't synch up with a legitimate believer. His posting is obviously what someone who is trying to imitate a hip deep believer would post.

The best way i can describe it is like the difference between the way a child acts, and the way an adult trying to act like a child acts. There are certain traits that only come about when someone is attempting to act like a different type of person. And limbo exhibits them all.
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It is like he wants to teach you without doing any teaching. Limbo, I am not trying to bash you, just trying to help out.
 
Gao said:
So what methodology do you use to determine whether the experiences and "gestalt shift" are reflective of external reality rather than something that only takes place within the mind of the person who experiences such things?
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The ignore feature seems to be the main one.
 
Limbo said:
More like saying I will help you build your own telescope, so that you can see the otherside for yourself. Telescope is the way Sam Harris puts it. Part of the scope is those comparative fields. Another part is experiences. Would you like to experience a shamanic dream of the collective unconscious? One designed to give you a mystical insight into its nature?
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The shaman journeys into their own self, their is no collective unconscious, there is culture and society.

And yes I have read Jung, I rather enjoy it. Much better than Levi-Straus
 
Zanders said:
It is like he wants to teach you without doing any teaching.
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That might be a good way to put it. Paradox is an inevitable manifestation of mysticism. You just can't avoid or repress the trickster archetype for very long. You have to compromise with it, be in accord with its dance.
 
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