Split Thread The Sarah Scazzi murder case

Especially vague is the evidence against Sabrina and Cosima. So vague it defies belief that this thing even went to trial. The prosecutor filed a report claiming all the witnesses lied (including many that they put on the stand that refused to indicate guilt) and the defense experts gave false testimony (including the head of the national forensic science institute). The main judges who were overheard and taped in a conversation that seemed to indicate they had decided the case for guilt before the trial was even done were allowed to remain in charge.
 
Another news today that the Cassazione acquitted two defendants: Vito Russo (Sabrina's ex-lawyer) and a woman from the florist's entourage.
Not clear if all counts or some of them are concerned.
An earlier acquittal was taken to the Cassazione by the prosecution and now it was rejected.
Was this court waiting for the outcome of this appeal?
 
"So vague it defies belief that this thing even went to trial. "

It is undisputed that the murder happened in the house at a time when the three Misseri were there. So it is not beyond imagination trying to find the perpetrator(s) among them.
Michele's story is leaking, Sabrina's post mortem behaviour is indeed suspicious and Michele did accuse clearly his daughter without police pressure or coercion.
 
bolint said:
"So vague it defies belief that this thing even went to trial. "

It is undisputed that the murder happened in the house at a time when the three Misseri were there. So it is not beyond imagination trying to find the perpetrator(s) among them.
Michele's story is leaking, Sabrina's post mortem behaviour is indeed suspicious and Michele did accuse clearly his daughter without police pressure or coercion.
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Well, no. The murder occurred in the garage at a time when Michele was there and Sabrina and Cosima were not. And also no on the no police coercion. Fortunately this one is taped. Italian readers I have spoken to assure me the tapes show they led Michele to accuse Sabrina.
 
RoseMontague said:
Well, no. The murder occurred in the garage
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I meant the garage included in the house.
Of course it is disputed if the murder happened in the garage or in the living space.

Michele first accused her daughter when only his lawyer and Roberta Bruzzone were present. So at that time there could not be police coercion.
 
We learn soon the verdict, it is reported that the defendants are brought to the courtroom now...
 
Sabrina and Cosima have received life.
Michele eight years.
Michele's brother and nephew six years
Vito Russo (Sabrina's ex-lawyer) two years
One of the florist's associates one year and four months (suspended)
Two or the florist's entourage one year (suspended)
 
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RoseMontague said:
This is just sad. Another injustice. Sabrina is innocent.
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15 months on having been denied release pending her appeal, Sabrina writes from jail

"I do not want to know anything, I'm sorry if you do not call you but I'm not well, I can not hold it blow this ... I prefer to give up rather than continue in here, do not ever go out, do not want to believe me and I do not know what to do. Do not take it anymore ... everything has a limit, I'm a human being. "Sabrina Misseri wrote from prison to her sister Valentina. Since 4 years is in jail for the murder of her cousin Sarah Scazzi. Continue to say innocent with a conviction at first instance that, however, she says, "never ending punishment."

The Supreme Court in June rejected the appeal by her lawyers, Franco Coppi and Nicola Marseglia, who had hoped in the arrest. "Even this afternoon I've been thinking about this thing - is unleashed Sabrina - I can not calm down, the Supreme Court has always been my hope and now I'm sinking into the dark."
Her lawyer Franco Coppi tries to give her hope in the letters he sends them constantly. "But it is not easy," says the professor, who has decided to take this pro bono. "Because I strongly believe in the innocence of this girl," he says. "It's a thing unworthy of a civilized country that a defendant is also accused of a serious crime you are restricted in prison when after 4 years from the start of pre-trial detention still do not know the date of the appeal process. I write often trying to pull a little 'out. But it's hopeless, poor daughter has dark thoughts and I am very worried about her. I hope that will allow you to see the psychiatrist for her in recent years has been a staple. "

There are stories and people who accompany us in the afternoons television, facts that we live far away from us as if they were a novel, a mystery to be solved together. Then there are the characters of those facts, they read their lives through our interpretation, our judgment, often our superficiality. The ink fixing the thoughts of Sabrina bring out all the reality, to doubt, at least to pity.

'... You live with the fear of being left here, with the fear that immediately after the transfer call me ..., "writes Sabrina Misseri. "I am alone like a dog, I can not see the psychiatrist, the psychologist before I do not have more ... I can not think more, evil is stronger than good, it's useless you can not do anything. They do not want the truth, it must be as they say ... I might as well put on the cross as Jesus Christ so they're all happy. "

"I can not stand most dell'assassina the label," writes Sabrina. "The vomiting increased agitation .... because I have to suffer all this, there is never any good news, it's been almost 4 years, I was imprisoned at 22 and now I'm 26, and the more we go forward is worse and worse. "

And again: "I ​​need to vent, I'm so bad with my eyes, I'm not seeing well. I had a headache by dint of tears, I can not calm down, I'm going through a thousand thoughts ... The ugly truth is that there will be justice, justice does not exist. "Sabrina feels "limit": "I'm sick and you meet here are quiet, that goes wrong with the benefits of the law before you go out, but I do not want to do it over the prison innocently, I think I can bear for long, my limit has arrived. "
 
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RoseMontague said:
This is just sad. Another injustice. Sabrina is innocent.
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Here are some fascinating videos, the marvellously eloquent Cosima speaks for the first time at this appeal after remaining silent for the first instance trial.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2jer7d_sarah-scazzi-pap-01_school

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2jizca_sarah-scazzi-pap-02_school

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2jlae3_sarah-scazzi-pap-03_school

The subtitles seem excellent.
Note Simonetta Matone says the dream statement has become judicial truth, as does the criminologist Roberta Bruzzone, who persuaded the father to incriminate his daughter and wife.

ETA I did not realise the thread had arrived at this sub forum, so excuse the posts on the Knox thread
 
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Antony said:
Can anyone say if it is possible to write letters of support to Sabrina and Cosima?
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Antony,
I can't answer your question.
I hope things happen because long term posters here, (Kaosium, Rose Montague and others), know the witch hunt has got it wrong. The cookie cutter works everytime in Italy. Cosima and Sabrina are apparently less guilty than Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito.....
 
Samson said:
Here are some fascinating videos, the marvellously eloquent Cosima speaks for the first time at this appeal after remaining silent for the first instance trial.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2jer7d_sarah-scazzi-pap-01_school

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2jizca_sarah-scazzi-pap-02_school

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2jlae3_sarah-scazzi-pap-03_school

The subtitles seem excellent.
Note Simonetta Matone says the dream statement has become judicial truth, as does the criminologist Roberta Bruzzone, who persuaded the father to incriminate his daughter and wife.

ETA I did not realise the thread had arrived at this sub forum, so excuse the posts on the Knox thread
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Glad it's here, thanks for the updates.
 
Is there a beginners guide to this case? All I (think I) know is male relative is supposed to have raped and murdered girl and thrown her down a well. He was arrested and confessed but then changed his mind and ... accused the victim's two female relatives or friends and ... was believed somehow and then later he retracted the retraction and went back to admitting but a Mignini clone must have been in charge because of the obvious dietrology anc the police weren't falling for it but luckily the Italian courts are a repository of good sense and so the two women were .... convicted (!) due to the overwhelming total lack of evidence and at one point in the story the whole village lined up to see them taken away and knew they did it because they are all inbred and just know ****.

Can someone fill in the gaps please? Or point me in the right direction.
 
anglolawyer said:
Is there a beginners guide to this case? All I (think I) know is male relative is supposed to have raped and murdered girl and thrown her down a well. He was arrested and confessed but then changed his mind and ... accused the victim's two female relatives or friends and ... was believed somehow and then later he retracted the retraction and went back to admitting but a Mignini clone must have been in charge because of the obvious dietrology anc the police weren't falling for it but luckily the Italian courts are a repository of good sense and so the two women were .... convicted (!) due to the overwhelming total lack of evidence and at one point in the story the whole village lined up to see them taken away and knew they did it because they are all inbred and just know ****.

Can someone fill in the gaps please? Or point me in the right direction.
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How well do you read google Italian? There's a site I linked up thread as well as an article in English by Frank Sfarzo to get you started.
 
anglolawyer said:
Is there a beginners guide to this case? All I (think I) know is male relative is supposed to have raped and murdered girl and thrown her down a well. He was arrested and confessed but then changed his mind and ... accused the victim's two female relatives or friends and ... was believed somehow and then later he retracted the retraction and went back to admitting but a Mignini clone must have been in charge because of the obvious dietrology anc the police weren't falling for it but luckily the Italian courts are a repository of good sense and so the two women were .... convicted (!) due to the overwhelming total lack of evidence and at one point in the story the whole village lined up to see them taken away and knew they did it because they are all inbred and just know ****.

Can someone fill in the gaps please? Or point me in the right direction.
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It's a crazy case. It turned out that the dad had a history of molesting young females which came out in the trial. He confessed to the murder as the lone killer. For some reason the cops decided it was too easy and pressured him in various taped interrogations to reveal his accomplices and hinted at his daughter and wife being involved. Eventually he broke down and said they were involved. The cops couldn't believe he managed to move a rock by himself and the coroner indicated the signs of the belt used to strangle her must have been done by a female because of the light touch involved. The old cell phone ploy where the cops placed Sabrina at the scene. The towers were later taken down/changed before the defense got a chance to do their own investigation. Michele (the dad) later recanted the involvement of his wife and daughter but now the cops were not buying it. During the trial the main piece of evidence was a florist that had made a statement where he saw Sabrina and Cosima at a time that would indicate their involvement. He later admitted it was not true, just a dream and of course the prosecutors decided that the dream a lie and sued him. The trial was held in the same venue and the locals were screaming for blood, even spitting on Cosima as she was arrested during a staged perp walk. The judges/jury were drawn from the same area and the city was allowed to join the case as a civil party as their reputation had been damaged by this horrible murder. During the trial the prosecution tried to show Sabrina was jealous of her cousin but failed miserably. A cell phone call that seemed to mess up the prosecutions timeline was reinvented as a ploy to throw the cops off the real killer. The dad was eventually convicted of just helping move and dispose of the body and was released after a couple of years as time served. So the killer is free and two innocents are in jail. The appeal is happening now.

(Just going by memory)
 
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The motivation report was some ridiculous length, over 1,000 pages IIRC and the judges were heard talking during the trial making fun of the defense and seeming to indicate they had already decided on guilt. The motivation (supposed to be filed within 90 days) was allowed a year to be published and Sabrina and Cosima were ordered to stay in jail.
 
more is not better

Did the response to the motivation report have to be filed in the usual time? With 1000 pages of codswallop to wade through, that would have been difficult.
 
RoseMontague said:
It's a crazy case. It turned out that the dad had a history of molesting young females which came out in the trial. He confessed to the murder as the lone killer. For some reason the cops decided it was too easy and pressured him in various taped interrogations to reveal his accomplices and hinted at his daughter and wife being involved. Eventually he broke down and said they were involved. The cops couldn't believe he managed to move a rock by himself and the coroner indicated the signs of the belt used to strangle her must have been done by a female because of the light touch involved. The old cell phone ploy where the cops placed Sabrina at the scene. The towers were later taken down/changed before the defense got a chance to do their own investigation. Michele (the dad) later recanted the involvement of his wife and daughter but now the cops were not buying it. During the trial the main piece of evidence was a florist that had made a statement where he saw Sabrina and Cosima at a time that would indicate their involvement. He later admitted it was not true, just a dream and of course the prosecutors decided that the dream a lie and sued him. The trial was held in the same venue and the locals were screaming for blood, even spitting on Cosima as she was arrested during a staged perp walk. The judges/jury were drawn from the same area and the city was allowed to join the case as a civil party as their reputation had been damaged by this horrible murder. During the trial the prosecution tried to show Sabrina was jealous of her cousin but failed miserably. A cell phone call that seemed to mess up the prosecutions timeline was reinvented as a ploy to throw the cops off the real killer. The dad was eventually convicted of just helping move and dispose of the body and was released after a couple of years as time served. So the killer is free and two innocents are in jail. The appeal is happening now.

(Just going by memory)
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:boggled: Thanks Rose. Italy on steroids. That has to be the most bat crap crazy, time-warping case of all time. It would have been tossed out of the Star Chamber.
 
Kaosium said:
How well do you read google Italian? There's a site I linked up thread as well as an article in English by Frank Sfarzo to get you started.
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Thanks. I will hunt down the article. My doctors still have me on sedation after trying to read Micheli in google Italian. Don't tell him but I'm suing Komponisto for wilful negligence and reckless endangerment over that.
 
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