The Rosetta probe has woken up ...

Much of the comet's original volatile content may be gone by now, leaving behind a spongy mass of dust grains.

I would have guessed this wasn't possible. The idea, I guess, is that space dust mixed with frozen gases and when the frozen gases sublimate a structure of space dust is left behind. As I write this I realize there's a lot I don't know here. What is the principle constituent of the coma that we can see from earth? Is the material spewed out of the comet mostly in a liquid state? If it is mostly in a gaseous state it seems surprising that it is opaque enough to reflect light.

But in addition to measuring the comet's mass with its gravity, it ought to be possible to measure its mass distribution's departure from sphericity. That ought to have been possible in Rosetta's 10-km orbits. It's 2D instead of 3D info, but it will enable testing hypotheses about the comet's mass distribution, like how depleted its outer layers are.

I've looked around for a discussion of this kind of thing and I haven't found it, but it seems like one of the things that people would have been doing calculations and maybe simulations of. Does it exist and I haven't found it or has it just not been released yet?
 
I would have guessed this wasn't possible. The idea, I guess, is that space dust mixed with frozen gases and when the frozen gases sublimate a structure of space dust is left behind. As I write this I realize there's a lot I don't know here. What is the principle constituent of the coma that we can see from earth? Is the material spewed out of the comet mostly in a liquid state? If it is mostly in a gaseous state it seems surprising that it is opaque enough to reflect light.

The volatiles that come out are gaseous. The bright coma that you see is created by reflection from gas and dust, which is shot into space by the escaping gas.

Although 67P/CG passes by the sun quite often (every 6 years) there is still enough ice inside to make it active. At first determination it was about 2 glasses of water per second, at its highest, during the last passage, the production rate was about 350 1023 s-1. With that rate taken and say 1 year of outgassing gives a upper mass loss of 107 kg with a total mass of the comet of 1013 kg.

The principle constituent at the moment is actually CO2, but that will be overtaken by H2O (or maybe has already been).

I've looked around for a discussion of this kind of thing and I haven't found it, but it seems like one of the things that people would have been doing calculations and maybe simulations of. Does it exist and I haven't found it or has it just not been released yet?

Yes, there have been all kinds of simulations and observations. I think the two papers best used as a starting point are:

Snodgrass, C., Tubiana, C., Bramich, D. N., Meech, K., Boehnhardt, H., and Barrera, L.: Beginning of activity in 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko and predictions for 2014–2015, Astron. Astrophys., 557, 15 pp., oi:10.1051/0004-
6361/201322020, 2013.


Rubin, M.; Koenders, C.; Altwegg, K.; Combi, M. R.; Glassmeier, K.-H.; Gombosi, T. I.; Hansen, K. C.; Motschmann, U.; Richter, I.; Tenishev, V. M.; Tóth, G, Plasma environment of a weak comet - Predictions for Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko from multifluid-MHD and Hybrid models, Icarus, Volume 242, p. 38-49. 2014.
 
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yeah! it has been blogged, our finding that the comet is singing!!!
this is a first ever discovery at a comet. blogs.esa.int/rosetta
we are close to explaining it. hopefully soon on science.
 
yeah! it has been blogged, our finding that the comet is singing!!!
this is a first ever discovery at a comet. blogs.esa.int/rosetta
we are close to explaining it. hopefully soon on science.

Very cool. I notice the sound is panning and has a great 3D feel to it, is this realistic or has it been added for artistic purpose?
 
https://www.mps.mpg.de/3086295/Philae-Blog
The guy explains the touchdown procedure among other things and indeed they use a thruster to counter harpoon gun recoil. The earlier entries were delightfully flippant "we shot stuff at a pile of dirt, then went to have lunch".

So, the anchoring process starts with the 'firing' of the active descent system, a thruster that is embedded in the top surface of the lander body. This thrust pushes the lander against the surface. After a few seconds the two harpoons are ignited and shot into the ground. After they have stopped, the anchoring ropes which are connected to the harpoon heads are pulled back such that the lander spacecraft is tightened to the surface. The thruster firing has to continue well beyond the anchor shooting since the latter pushes the lander back from the surface due to the reaction force from the explosion of the harpoon firing.
 
Very cool. I notice the sound is panning and has a great 3D feel to it, is this realistic or has it been added for artistic purpose?

Yes, that has been added. Unfortunately, the original is in Braunschweig and I am in Graz. I think it is supposed to be quadrophenic even, so you can hear Rosetta fly around you.
 
First glitch:

Early on Wednesday (GMT), the third "go" signal was delayed. The thruster system used to push the robot into the surface of the comet when it touches down could not be primed.

This means Philae will now have nothing to push it into the surface of the comet.

"We will just have to rely now on the harpoons, the screws in the feet, or the softness of the surface. It doesn't make it any easier, that's for sure," said lander chief Stephan Ulamec, from the German Space Agency.

* Bites fingernails *
 
First signal from Philae to Rosetta received!

Link established!

Still ~5 hours until touchdown.
 
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This is an awesome achievement to just get this far. Congratulations to the ESA. It's 5:28 PST right now. I think that means there's about three hours left before the actual landing plus a little more time for the information to reach ESA from the lander about whether the landing was a success.

Pictures should start to come in pretty soon I think. I've had the most success following this on the BBC site:
http://www.bbc.com/news/live/science-environment-29985988

The density of the comet continues to interest me. Based on information from one of the videos linked to above the density is about .4 grams/cm3[/SUP. That's somewhat higher than the earlier predictions, but still pretty low. If the sponge idea is right it seems like the surface might be very soft. Will it be strong and stable enough to stop the lander? The gravity of the comet is almost non-existent so I guess once the lander has stabilized on the surface there's no chance of it pushing into the surface.
 
Live coverage beginning Tuesday November 11 at 1300 CST.
http://rosetta.esa.int/


I can't get this link to display more than 10 seconds of video before it stops. Is there a TV channel televising this? I haven't found one yet.


ETA: The BBC link that Dave provided seems to work better. And the volume goes to 11. :)

Steve S
 
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