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The Romney Plan

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I don't care about stupid things Romney may have done in his youth. I'm a little bothered by the dog on the car roof thing, but I don't consider it a presidential disqualifier. I want to hear about his plan for running the country. So far I have heard a lot of complaints about the job Obama has done but very little about what Romney would do. He is quick to point out what he considers mistakes Obama has made but if you ask him what he will do as president, his response is generally either, "Well, I wouldn't make the same mistake Obama did." or "The first thing I will do is fix Obama's mistakes."

Mitt, a list of complaints is not a plan. What is your plan? I go into the voting both as if I am hiring the next president. I don't want to hear you tear down your opponent. I want to hear your specific plan for the country. Don't give me your vague, "I know how to create jobs"/"I will remove the barriers to progress" line. Give me specifics. I certainly expect the same from Obama but I kind of know how he will perform already. I want to know the details of your plan.
 
Your mistake is thinking he has positions, he is running as not Obama. Otherwise you have to sort out governor Romney vs Candidate Romney.
 
I wanted to look up the official Romney platform (I know his tax proposal has been examined by the Tax Policy Center: [ETA: his could add nearly $1 trillion to the deficit]), but the first thing I turned up via the googles is this:

http://godvoter.org/Mitt-Romney-platform.html

A Christian voting guide website that is pretty strongly opposed to Romney for his flip flopping on all the social conservative issues.

At any rate, there is a pretty good Wiki article listing his position on a wide range of issues:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Mitt_Romney

And the official Romney page has a listing of Romney's position on various issues:
http://www.mittromney.com/issues
 
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One of the candidates (Obama or Romney) had this to say recently. Can you tell which one it was?

I see an America with a growing middle class, with rising standards of living, [with] children even more successful than their parents....This America is fundamentally fair....In the America I see, character and choices matter. And education, hard work, and living within our means are valued and rewarded.
 
One of the candidates (Obama or Romney) had this to say recently. Can you tell which one it was?

Could be either of them. The fact that they both have spouted fairly meaningless platitudes doesn't mean that one hasn't offered more substantive proposals than the other.

Reasonable minds can certainly disagree on whether or not Obama has done a good job in his first term, but they can't disagree on whether or not we know what Obama has done.

It's quite a bit harder to discern exactly what Romney would do. We know he wants to "repeal Obamacare". And while he says we've got to deal with the debt crisis, his proposals would exacerbate it.
 
I see an America with a growing middle class, with rising standards of living, [with] children even more successful than their parents....This America is fundamentally fair....In the America I see, character and choices matter. And education, hard work, and living within our means are valued and rewarded.

I believe I could just about manage to live within Romney's means.
 
One of the candidates (Obama or Romney) had this to say recently. Can you tell which one it was?

But is that America that he sees also the America that he loves?

"I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that's the America millions of Americans believe in. That's the America I love."
 
Mitt, a list of complaints is not a plan. What is your plan? I go into the voting both as if I am hiring the next president. I don't want to hear you tear down your opponent. I want to hear your specific plan for the country. Don't give me your vague, "I know how to create jobs"/"I will remove the barriers to progress" line. Give me specifics. I certainly expect the same from Obama but I kind of know how he will perform already. I want to know the details of your plan.

I don't think he's a member here, RB.

If he is, I guess we can count on a lot of Rule 0 violations being handed out.
 
Could be either of them. The fact that they both have spouted fairly meaningless platitudes doesn't mean that one hasn't offered more substantive proposals than the other.

Reasonable minds can certainly disagree on whether or not Obama has done a good job in his first term, but they can't disagree on whether or not we know what Obama has done.

It's quite a bit harder to discern exactly what Romney would do. We know he wants to "repeal Obamacare". And while he says we've got to deal with the debt crisis, his proposals would exacerbate it.
Where is the large clapping hand when you need it.

Well said.
 
And the official Romney page has a listing of Romney's position on various issues:
http://www.mittromney.com/issues

Romney's official page is rather a hoot.

I click in to the first issue, "Afghanistan and Pakistan." As far as I know, he's said next to nothing about foreign policy and seems generally uncomfortable with it -- but this is a significant national interest. Anyway, the first thing I see is the banner reading

Afghanistan & Pakistan :crowded: AN AMERICAN CENTURY.​

An American Century?? What the flack?

Eh, I guess that's his whole branding strategy, and he stamps it on everything, no matter how inappropriate. ("Drug Abuse & Teen Pregnancy :covereyes AN AMERICAN CENTURY." :p)

Anyway, the page contains such gems as the following:

Mittens "The Dog Terrorist" Romney said:
Mitt Romney will work with both the Afghan government and Pakistan to ensure that those nations are fully contributing to success in Afghanistan. But we will only persuade Afghanistan and Pakistan to be resolute if they are convinced that the United States will itself be resolute. Only an America that appears fully committed to success will eliminate the incentives for them to hedge their bets by aligning with opposing forces.

[...]

The United States enjoys significant leverage over both of these nations. We should not be shy about using it.

This sounds to me rather like George W's approach towards North Korea -- the "leverage" we "enjoy" presumably starts and ends with withholding our sigificant financial aid. So being "resolute," since neither country will be particularly moved by Mitt's "working with them" translates into suspending our foreign aid.

And then what? Watch as the Free Market and other Republican tooth fairies magically dispel the Taliban, clean up the tribal areas, and purge Karzai's hodge-podge government of cronyism?

I'd give him partial credit if he just came out and said "I've had it with Pakistan and I'm cutting their aid if they don't shape up pronto" -- at least that would be honest, if uninspiring. But no...

Let's do another one. We've had a lot of gunner discussions here, so let's take in his firearms regulation issue page -- or should I say

Gun Rights :Banane36: PROTECT THE SECOND AMENDMENT.​

... waitaminute -- he really did specially put "AN AMERICAN CENTURY." next to Afghanistan and Pakistan?? WTF, Mitt??

Anyway, I note with amusement that here he avoids mention of Obama and his alleged "failures" completely. I guess it's implied for his core audience.

As for Mitt's position:

Mitt "I've never hunted said:
Mitt strongly supports the right of all law-abiding Americans to exercise their constitutionally protected right to own firearms and to use them for lawful purposes, including hunting, recreational shooting, self-defense, and the protection of family and property.

[...]

As president, Mitt will work to expand and enhance access and opportunities for Americans to hunt, shoot, and protect their families, homes and property, and he will fight the battle on all fronts to protect and promote the Second Amendment.

:boggled: ... amazingly, Mitt doesn't seem to understand the actual basis for the Second Amendment, making me wonder why he should be the one to promote it. Or if he does, he left it off the list of "lawful purposes" entirely.

Oh, wait, it says in the inset, quoting himself:

Mitt "Goin' huntin' with Dick Cheney and Ted Nugent" Romney said:
No constitutional protection is more often ignored, distorted, or disdained than the individual right to keep and bear arms.

I'd argue the Third Amendment is probably more often ignored... however, I guess that's accurate from his perspective, since he himself appears to misunderstand it.

Oh well. He did take a position, even if it's a complete no-brainer for the GOP, and even if it plausibly conflicts with his record. So bravo Mitt. You do indeed have policy positions other than "I'm not Obama." I apologize.

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Yeah, I'm just ripping on the guy, but he sure makes it easy.
 
I thought maybe it was generic computer programming, like:

(whatever the issue is) (picture) An American Century


But no, on the right is a different saying for every topic, and for Afghanistan & Pakistan, it's An American Century.

Well, maybe. It would be nice, but unlikely. Afghanistan is 1/10th the way there, but Pakistan hasn't even started.
 
But no, on the right is a different saying for every topic, and for Afghanistan & Pakistan, it's An American Century.

Well, maybe. It would be nice, but unlikely. Afghanistan is 1/10th the way there, but Pakistan hasn't even started.

That's a good, if frightening, point. Perhaps Romney thinks the war in Afghanistan should last another 89 years! :eek:
 
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Maybe he wants us to annex Afghanistan and Pakistan as our 51st and 52nd states.

And again, it's unclear exactly what he would do different than Obama, but it is clear that he would be resolute.

:rolleyes:
 
Wouldn't it be great if America had a European century? I think it builds cohesion for outside groups to arrogantly lord over other nations.
 

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