• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

The Roe Countdown

When will Roe v Wade be overturned

  • Before 31 December 2020

    Votes: 20 18.3%

  • Before 31 December 2022

    Votes: 27 24.8%

  • Before 31 December 2024

    Votes: 9 8.3%

  • SCOTUS will not pick a case up

    Votes: 16 14.7%

  • SCOTUS will pick it up and decline to overturn

    Votes: 37 33.9%
  • Total voters
    109
Status
Not open for further replies.
dudalb said:
God. does nothing matter to you but "Owning The Libs"?
Click to expand...
They have claimed here and there that they are anti abortion* but also anti banning abortion (best way I can summarize his position as I understand it) so,... pretty much.


* Something,... something,... taking responsibility....
 
smartcooky said:
Your body of work strongly implies otherwise, or have you already forgotten for posts in the Texas Abortion thread
Click to expand...


Huh? I am against the legislation in TX. I have made that abundantly clear. Perhaps take it up in that thread if you see something there that catches your fancy.
 
smartcooky said:
But you're anti-abortion, right?
Click to expand...


I don't get excited thinking about abortion, is that what you mean? I don't think it should be used in lieu of other means of birth control. That is my preference.

I understand that things do happen even in the best circumstances, and hence I am not against Roe and I don't support the restrictive TX legislation. But you could say I am not a general fan of abortion.

If anyone considers themselves a "fan" of abortion, they should probably do some soul-searching.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
Oooh! A Doctor .. I must be wrong.
Click to expand...

When it comes to medical matters, I will believe a doctor before I will believe some Neville Nobody on a back-water internet forum!

I was astounded by how often patients were turned away from emergency rooms and their doctor’s offices in the middle of their miscarriages. No wonder Alabama has the third-highest maternal mortality rate in the nation, I initially thought. People are denied urgent medical attention outright, which left me wondering at first if health care providers were simply negligent and not keeping up with their medical education. Or was this lack of care a reflection of discrimination? Eventually, I landed on discrimination as the cause.

But I was wrong. The reality is much worse. Instead, these medical professionals seem to know what they are supposed to do, but choose not to. I came to this realization when I saw a patient in active miscarriage (bleeding, passing clots, cramping) who had just had an office visit with her primary physician. She was forced to wait more than 48 hours in order to get the results of her bloodwork. Doctors will sometimes check a patient’s levels of HCG, or human chorionic gonadotropin, to help distinguish miscarriages from ongoing pregnancies or ectopic pregnancies. I could not understand why someone with all of the clinical signs of a miscarriage in progress was required to wait for much-needed intervention, all the while bleeding and cramping and suffering.

I was angry that the patient’s doctor did not just provide the standard medical treatment for a miscarriage: surgically removing the contents of her uterus, which would stop her pain and bleeding. Then I saw a different patient who was actively miscarrying, and a lightbulb clicked on: The doctors were afraid of being attacked by the state of Alabama.​

Medical care in Alabama is on a par with Third World levels
 
Maybe if he(?) had said " Another consequence of ending Roe: some women who miscarry won't get urgent care. "


Why should I automatically believe doctors. I've heard some of them are afraid/have refused to perform life saving medical procedures for fear of retribution..
 
Last edited:
Skeptical Greg said:
Maybe if he(?) had said " Another consequence of ending Roe: some women who miscarry won't get urgent care. "


Why should I automatically believe doctors. I've heard some of them are afraid/have refused to perform life saving medical procedures for fear of retribution..
Click to expand...

In Alabama, its quite clear that your "some" would be "most"
 
Upchurch said:
I mean, I can repeat the answer as often as you repeat the question, although I will probably just link to the post from now on.
​
Click to expand...

OK. So fine, let's come back to this and put it to rest:

Upchurch said:
That’s not even true. Embryos can be implanted into any uterus, not just the one whose egg was fertilized. That’s how in vitro fertilization works with surrogates.
Click to expand...
The point Meadmaker made that you contested is true.

And what can happen in IVF cases has nothing to do with what happens in normal pregnancies.
 
Last edited:
RecoveringYuppy said:
OK. So fine, let's come back to this and put it to rest: [snip]
Click to expand...

Ugh. You got me. You found out my terrible secret. I would have gotten away with it, too, if it wasn't for these meddling you.

I will now concede this totally debunked and irrelevant point to my argument. Congrats! You win!
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
This ignores the issue, a minority put those justices on the court.
Click to expand...

That is not "the issue". That's something you want to make an issue now, but it wasn't even your original complaint. Your original complaint was that most people don't want RvW to be overturned. Which is completely separate from how many people put justices on the court. And neither issue has anything to do with the legal merits of the decision itself.

But you don't care about the legal merits of the decision itself.

There's never any point in a discussion with someone who twists what people said into straw men.
Click to expand...

You straw manned me. You've got no grounds for complaint.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
The problems described in the link occured with Roe in place.

It's quite clear that access to quality medical care in Alabama is a problem period.
Keeping or overturning Roe won't change that.
Click to expand...
Doctors now fear being arrested, charged and prosecuted under state law, even if they ultimately would win with Roe in place. If Roe is overturned, what will change is that state law will prevail, and doctors could be prosecuted successfully.
 
Ziggurat said:
....
But that goes both ways. Skeptic Ginger tried to use the unpopularity of this pending decision as an argument against it, and I'm saying that's invalid for exactly the same reason. That doesn't preclude the possibility of valid arguments against this pending ruling, but SG's argument ad populum isn't one of them.
Click to expand...
I see you continue to avoid addressing the key point: a minority installed SCOTUS justices who are making the decision to overturn Roe. If you start out with an extremely biased court, you can't then go and say they need to be making decisions without concern for the citizens' POV.
 
Or maybe places where Roe had already been nullified by regulatory and litigious burdens are a good example of what's to come across a broader area and worse still is on the way for those unfortunate enough to live in the places that want to lead the charge.
 
Ziggurat said:
That is not "the issue". That's something you want to make an issue now, but it wasn't even your original complaint. Your original complaint was that most people don't want RvW to be overturned. Which is completely separate from how many people put justices on the court. And neither issue has anything to do with the legal merits of the decision itself.
Click to expand...

Well, it’s an issue if a minority of the people put justices on the court to explicitly overturn Roe, not on the merits of a particular case, but because that is the result a minority wanted regardless whatever case was involved.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
I somehow don't believe that any woman who goes to an emergency room with vaginal bleeding will be sent on their way..
Click to expand...

Depends. And even if not sent on their way, finding a doctor or NP to do a proper followup of a D&C might not be possible.

What do you then see as the ED's options?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top Bottom