A lot of up think it is full of crap now and needs a big squirt of water for a flushing out of our current systemnal parts.
The Roe Countdown
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A lot of up think it is full of crap now and needs a big squirt of water for a flushing out of our current systemnal parts.
No. It's based on looking at the available facts, and reaching the objectively correct conclusion that the USA is a backwards ******** country.
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Because your memory is selective, I guess. In the US, before Roe v Wade it was mostly only a core issue among Catholics. It wasn’t until maybe the 80s that Republicans picked it up as a handy political saw to lure Catholic voters to the party (and IMO to have a clear cut plank to distract people from having the impression that they were pretty racist).
Historically, the population in general has always been split on the issue when they sit down to really think about it. For everyone but the Catholics, it was a pretty common attitude to feel that anything that happened before ‘quickening’ was nobody’s business.
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What are you basing that on?
As I said, if it turns out to be enforceable then Roe v Wade is effectively overturned, which brings us back to the question of whether it can be enforced
I have no idea who "bugman digital media outlets" refers to.
It is not a dichotomy, it can be both. But I am puzzled as how it can be interpreted as anything else than an attack on women's rights.
It is and it's suppoorters are slime (and really far worse).
More the religious nut places: South and Flyover
US, not up.
The words of the Governor of Alabama
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I'm skeptical of your comment. Do you have a quote?
Wouldn't the decision to prosecute a law that is considered to be in effect fall to a district attorney, in any case?
The closest I've found is her saying that “no matter one’s personal view on abortion, we can all recognise that, at least for the short term, this bill may similarly be unenforceable”. This is a far cry from “... even if it does go into effect, it's not likely to be enforced.”.
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I am going for a goodly portion of Alabamans are waiting with bated breath for the rise of KKKNazis. I'll know if I am wrong if instead most/big majority cause the ******** who are trying this idiocy out to get thrown out - of windows. For the word fans still around, get defenestrated...….
I disagree with your characterization of "a far cry from..." The bill punishes doctors for performing abortions, not women from getting abortions. I can't take this legislation seriously. When doctors get thrown in jail for performing abortions in Alabama, skeptics can start kvetching without me calling them out on their histrionics.
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I don't know how else one would characterize it: the governor appears not to have said what you suggested that she said.
You claimed that even if it became the law of the land (in Alabama), it would not be likely to be enforced. Someone challenged you on it and asked what you would base this on and your reply was that the governor said so.
I asked you for the exact quote and you replied with a personal appeal to incredulity: you appear not to believe that the government of Alabama would dare to toss doctors in jail.
Would this be because doctors tend to be wealthy & considered pillars of the community? Or do you think that it's something that the Republican party really does not want to do "for real"? While you could be right about that, in the event that this law went into effect (again, I don't know that it is likely that this will happen —then again, in 2015 I don't think I thought that Trump's election was likely either and yet here we are), it would become a trap for Republicans since the other thing they would not want to do is have it on the books and risk angering their base by not using it (besides, even if such a strategic decision were made, there's always going to be some D.A. out there that will choose to prosecute).
Either way, that is, indeed, a fine opinion. However, that's all it is, an opinion; and it seems that it might merit a little bit less certitude than what came across with your comment.
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When the law goes into effect, doctors might get sued or even arrested. Even if not convicted, it will cost them money and time.
"Unenforceable" doesn't mean without consequence.
"Unenforceable" doesn't mean without consequence.
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IF this law proves enforceable, I predict Alabama is in for a rough road over the next decades.
First, the welfare system will be inundated with single women who are pregnant -many of them teenagers who will drop out of school.
Illegal abortion attempts will proliferate -everything from the proverbial coat hangers to poisons to scalding bathwater will be employed; much of it completely unsuccessful or causing horrific injuries or both.
Then in five years or so the educational system will be inundated with new enrollees, many of them uncared for and unwanted. I realize this is already a problem, but I believe this law will only make it worse as the uptick in the birth rate is mostly going to be among those who are least equipped for it.
Once the kids are of working age and welfare stops the crime rates will start to skyrocket, as those dropouts who are unable to find work will turn to theft and selling drugs to survive.
In fifteen years or so the first round of babies will be having babies. They will continue the cycle of poverty by dropping out of school and burdening the social services just as the earlier generation before them.
Those who have always known they were unloved and unwanted will be suffering the aftermath; mental health services, the courts and the jails will be seeing a huge upsurge in the numbers of cases involving mental and emotional damage.
First, the welfare system will be inundated with single women who are pregnant -many of them teenagers who will drop out of school.
Illegal abortion attempts will proliferate -everything from the proverbial coat hangers to poisons to scalding bathwater will be employed; much of it completely unsuccessful or causing horrific injuries or both.
Then in five years or so the educational system will be inundated with new enrollees, many of them uncared for and unwanted. I realize this is already a problem, but I believe this law will only make it worse as the uptick in the birth rate is mostly going to be among those who are least equipped for it.
Once the kids are of working age and welfare stops the crime rates will start to skyrocket, as those dropouts who are unable to find work will turn to theft and selling drugs to survive.
In fifteen years or so the first round of babies will be having babies. They will continue the cycle of poverty by dropping out of school and burdening the social services just as the earlier generation before them.
Those who have always known they were unloved and unwanted will be suffering the aftermath; mental health services, the courts and the jails will be seeing a huge upsurge in the numbers of cases involving mental and emotional damage.
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Great business opportunity for your local drug dealer, though.
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And all this is with a doubly illegitimate Supreme Court. (Not only is there no excuse for the Kavenaugh thing, but the opening only still existed because of flagrant dereliction of duty by the Senate Republicans over Obama's last appointment.)
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If you think abortion is commonly used as a "method of birth control" you are severely deluded.
ChrisBFRPKY
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Well then Bob, how's about telling everyone exactly how abortion is not the ultimate birth control then.......without resorting to the name calling if you can. (I realize it is difficult to argue in favor of an immorality without resorting to such things but please do try.)
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