The Roe Countdown

[Babbylonian]

It's my understanding that several appeals need to be granted by lower courts first.

I just can't.

 

[The Atheist]

Why would that sort of thing change Kavanaugh's mind?

I don't think it would change anyone's mind at SCOTUS, but it could cause an enormous backlash at the polls, giving the Dems a chance to cement legislation in place, or appoint additional judges.

Also, TA, why are you borderline gloating in your OP?

I have no idea how you got that impression - my last sentence was:

... prevent the absurd attacks on women's rights by white men.

I am not a fan of white - or any other shade thereof - men obstructing or denying women's rights. I figure 10,000 years of it is enough.

 

[Cavemonster]

I just can't.

If you can't respond to a differing opinion, maybe you shouldn't be on a discussion board.

 

[The Nimble Pianist]

I just can't.

What can't you?

Cavemonster correctly mentioned that a plaintiff of a future challenge to the law must suffer what the court calls damages. Without damages there is no standing to challenge, and without that the case gets dismissed. You still haven't actually answered his (good) questions.

 

[smartcooky]

You seem to be happy with the idea of the US toally going down the tube.
Just remember this:The undertow of that happening will impact a lot of countries..including Kiwiland.

You're talking about Roe v Wade? If so, that will not affect us here, because

1. We have Nationwide Laws, our Provinces have no power to go against National laws

2. A woman's absolute right to abortion is supported by both major parties and most of the minor ones. The last one to have an anti-abortion policy was the Christian Heritage party, they were never more than a one percenter, and fell by the wayside shortly after their leader, Graeme Capill was convicted of kiddie fiddling.

 

[The Nimble Pianist]

Nobody got arrested under Prop 8 in order to make marriage equality a thing, for example.

Because this had nothing to do with criminal enterprise. Individuals who sought to sue the state for their lack of gay-marriage licenses had to first attempt receiving marriage licenses. Until they did so, AND they were denied, they couldn't have standing in court.

 

[Babbylonian]

What can't you?

Cavemonster correctly mentioned that a plaintiff of a future challenge to the law must suffer what the court calls damages. Without damages there is no standing to challenge, and without that the case gets dismissed. You still haven't actually answered his (good) questions.

Yeah, I did, and you've added elements that don't exist in his questions. "I can't" was in response to the repetition of something I'd already explained as if it was something new. In other words, I'm not going to continue explaining to someone determined not to comprehend my posts. It's a game I've tried of late to avoid.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I have faith in the backlash.

 

[Loss Leader]

I'm going to classify "overturned" as "allowed a set of restrictions difficult enough to make abortions too emotionally and monetarily costly for the largest majority of pregnancy-capable women in the country.

 

[Baylor]

When does Roe v Wade get thrown out?

Never. You're being played by the media. Again.

 

[Baylor]

When does Roe v Wade get thrown out?

Anyone with evidence Trump paid for an abortion needs to step right up, because I'd see that as the only chance left to prevent the absurd attacks on women's rights by white men.

I seriously only read the first line of the OP. It took me a few minutes to stomach the courage to read the rest and I came across this gem. When I said you're being played by the media, that was a bit of an understatement.

This is quite something to behold. Skeptics are so gullible and they're proud of it. It's sad, really.

 

[Baylor]

Yup, I think Roe v Wade is going to be toast.

I never once thought that could be a possibility in the 21st century, until recently.

As for the timeline, I think it depends on when Ruth Bader Ginsburg can no longer fill her seat. The hope is that she'll outlast Trump, but taking her age and health into consideration, that's not likely if he gets another term.

I think there's another middle-ground supreme court justice that's coming up for retirement soon too, besides RBG?

If that happens during Trump's time, American women haven't got a hope in hell.

Expect all hell to break loose soon after.

 

[Baylor]

A lot of this is based on TA's past history; he has done a LOT of USA bashing in the past.

Many "international" members do. And it's all based on ignorance, bigotry, and gullibility.

The only thing I've learned from this forum is how the US is perceived from outsides its borders. It's really amazing how ignorant the rest of the world is on US affairs.

Evidence: Opening Post, Post #22

 

[The Don]

A lot of this is based on TA's past history; he has done a LOT of USA bashing in the past.
And, yeah, I think that repealing RvW would be a disaster;but it would be a political disaster for the GOP. They finally got what they wanted;and will find out it isnot what a lot of Amereicans want.

That's what they got with Trump, too. They don't seem to give a single **** what most Americans want.

If they can be assured of 40% of highly motivated voters who are willing to turn out and vote regardless then IMO the GOP doesn't need a majority.

Of course there are likely many people who are pro-choice who will continue to vote GOP even if Roe vs Wade is overturned because it's not sufficiently important to them and/or they support other GOP policies and want to see them implemented.

 

[The Atheist]

Never. You're being played by the media. Again.

Given three states virtually outlawing abortion, including women who have been raped, you're clearly just trolling.

 

[Baylor]

Given three states virtually outlawing abortion, including women who have been raped, you're clearly just trolling.

"Virtually"

Yup, you fell for it again, hook, line, and sinker. The most stringent of those legislation, Alabama's, isn't likely to go into effect. And it might be "unenforceable" as the Governor put it.

Stop with the histrionics and stop being a sucker.

eta: Also, stop parroting "meh white men!" The one Supreme Court Justice likely to vote to overturn Roe v. Wade is black. "White Men" Justices Kavanaugh, Gorsuch and Roberts all said Roe v. Wade is "settled." The wild card is Latina woman Sotomayer. Don't regurgitate Left Wing rags on here and expect not to get called out on it.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

"Virtually"

Yup, you fell for it again, hook, line, and sinker. The most stringent of those legislation, Alabama's, isn't likely to go into effect. And it might be "unenforceable" as the Governor put it.

Stop with the histrionics and stop being a sucker.

eta: Also, stop parroting "meh white men!" The one Supreme Court Justice likely to vote to overturn Roe v. Wade is black. "White Men" Justices Gorsuch and Roberts both said Roe v. Wade is "settled." The wild card is Latina woman Sotomayer. Don't regurgitate Left Wing rags on here and expect not to get called out on it.

why are you supporting a law that you say might be unenforceable?

 

[Baylor]

why are you supporting a law that you say might be unenforceable?

eta:

 

[The Great Zaganza]

so you are.
nice to know

 

[3point14]

This will probably be a factor in 2020 too, so the US will have a Trump flavoured SCOTUS for the next generation at least.

“Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”
The President.