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The reason for a death penalty

You want to give him the easy way out and just kill him once?

PS. He has been found guilty, hasn't he. Whoops, he hasn't yet? Ah.....

So...kill them all and let God sort them out, then?
 
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I think that blog excessively demonizes anally molesting newborn babies to death. I mean don't get me wrong, you really really shouldn't anally molest newborn babies, but really it's not as bad as they say. Newborn babies can barely grasp the idea that there is a world beyond their nose, let alone that they are being raped. Anally raping newborn babies is therefore not significantly worse than any other way of killing newborn babies.

Also, I still totally oppose the death penalty. Killing him isn't going to bring the baby back, thus the only good that can come out of punishment is in preventing future crimes, through deterrence or removal from society or whatever. I think that the set of people who would anally molest babies if the penalty was lots of time in jail but who would change their mind only when the death penalty comes into mind would be insanely small, and similarly I think that. To say that he should be killed simply because he is worthless scum is just spite for spite's sake.

Also yeah, he hasn't even been found guilty, which is kind of important.
 
Just to add: In no way do I condone his alleged activities. If proven guilty, he can rot in hell forever...alive.
 
Reading some of the comments on the blog makes me think that some people who wrote them are almost as sick as the accused.

Who are we to judge him?
 
Newborn babies can barely grasp the idea that there is a world beyond their nose, let alone that they are being raped. Anally raping newborn babies is therefore not significantly worse than any other way of killing newborn babies.
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Obviously you don't have kids, and if this is what you believe I'd hit you really hard in the face with my fist if I was beside you right now.
 
If your position against the death penalty is based on reason, appeals to emotion won't shake that position.

Plus, there's something vaguely sick about that entry... as though the writer gets some sort of glee in relating stories like that, because "proving the point" about the death penalty outweighs the actual horror of the crime.
 
But is it civilized to put people to death?
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If the law says "You will be put to death if you kill someone and it was not for self defense.", then, yes.

I justify it this way. If I went out and shot someone, I would have no problem with the state killing me for my crime. I would deserve it. End of story.

Don't kill anyone and you won't get the death penalty!

The problem is, it's not a perfect system and there are probably innocent people on death row. Casualties of an imperfect system. Sucks, but what are you going to do?

Do you imprison someone for life? It's simply not cost effective, and frankly, their lives are NOT worth the cost IF the really did kill an innocent person or nine.

As the system is today, I don't like it.

If there is no doubt that someone murdered a family, and they are caught, knife in hand, they should be put to death within the month.

If there is ANY doubt, the death penalty shouldn't be an option.

Sure would be easier if people didnt' resort to crime, huh?!
 
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And yet I'm still against the death penalty.

Please have your next appeal to emotion prepared and served by 6:00 p.m.
 
Loss,

Assuming you have a family, (don't know if you're single or not) If someone broke in to your house and killed everyone in you family except yourself just for fun, what right do they have to continue living? I mean really. If the person is caught, and there is NO doubt they did it, what right do they have to live their life after taking the lives of other, innocent individuals? When they pull the trigger on an innocent person, they give up their right to life themselves.

If someone breaks into your home, and they are armed, do you feel that you have the right to defend your home, even if it means killing the intruder?
 
cloudshipsrule said:
If the law says "You will be put to death if you kill someone and it was not for self defense.", then, yes.

I justify it this way. If I went out and shot someone, I would have no problem with the state killing me for my crime. I would deserve it. End of story.

Don't kill anyone and you won't get the death penalty!
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"The punishment must fit the crime"? The biblical "an eye for an eye"? OK, let's go with that.

Put only kidnappers in jail, then. Instead, steal from burglars. Rape rapists. Extort extortionists. Slander slanderers. Hack into computer hackers' computers.

Sounds civilized? If you have a principle, you must follow through on it.

But, wait. You got problems.

How will you punish those who vote twice? Take away their right to vote in the next election?

How will you punish those who sell drugs? Force them to buy drugs? Force them not to buy drugs?

How will you punish those who drive too fast? Force them to drive too slowly?

How will you punish arsonists? Set their property on fire?

How will you punish arsonists who kill? Set them on fire?

If you have a principle, you must follow through on it.

cloudshipsrule said:
The problem is, it's not a perfect system and there are probably innocent people on death row. Casualties of an imperfect system. Sucks, but what are you going to do?

Do you imprison someone for life? It's simply not cost effective, and frankly, their lives are NOT worth the cost IF the really did kill an innocent person or nine.
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"Cost effective"? How much money will you pay for justice? How much money is a life worth?

Yes, name the amount. And explain why.

cloudshipsrule said:
As the system is today, I don't like it.

If there is no doubt that someone murdered a family, and they are caught, knife in hand, they should be put to death within the month.

If there is ANY doubt, the death penalty shouldn't be an option.
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If putting people to death is a punishment worse than putting them in jail, then you are punishing the dumb criminals harder (by killing them) than those who are clever enough not to be caught, knife in hand (by putting them in jail).

The smart people are treated more lenient than dumb people? You just abandoned the principle of "all men equal before the law".

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Sure would be easier if people didnt' resort to crime, huh?!
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Yes, it would. But if you want to call your society civilized, you should ask yourself why it is civilized to kill your own.
 
If convicted he's a marked man in prison.

MaGZ said:
The reason for a death penalty.

http://pysih.com/2007/12/03/christopher-ryan-richardson/
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I'm not adverse to putting this man to death if he's guilty. If he is convicted of this crime he'll have to live apart from the rest of the prison population for his own protection. If convicted but spared the death penalty his life won't be worth living. It would be better for him if he was executed.
 
UserGoogol said:
I think that blog excessively demonizes anally molesting newborn babies to death. I mean don't get me wrong, you really really shouldn't anally molest newborn babies, but really it's not as bad as they say. Newborn babies can barely grasp the idea that there is a world beyond their nose, let alone that they are being raped. Anally raping newborn babies is therefore not significantly worse than any other way of killing newborn babies.

Also, I still totally oppose the death penalty. Killing him isn't going to bring the baby back, thus the only good that can come out of punishment is in preventing future crimes, through deterrence or removal from society or whatever. I think that the set of people who would anally molest babies if the penalty was lots of time in jail but who would change their mind only when the death penalty comes into mind would be insanely small, and similarly I think that. To say that he should be killed simply because he is worthless scum is just spite for spite's sake.

Also yeah, he hasn't even been found guilty, which is kind of important.
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You disgust me. I wish you many years of unhappiness.
 
cloudshipsrule said:
Loss,

Assuming you have a family, (don't know if you're single or not) If someone broke in to your house and killed everyone in you family except yourself just for fun, what right do they have to continue living? I mean really. If the person is caught, and there is NO doubt they did it, what right do they have to live their life after taking the lives of other, innocent individuals? When they pull the trigger on an innocent person, they give up their right to life themselves.

If someone breaks into your home, and they are armed, do you feel that you have the right to defend your home, even if it means killing the intruder?
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I have two main reasons for opposing the death penalty (I have a few others but they aren't as major in forming my opinion). The first is based on a principle and that is that I am not willing to allow the state that level of power over individuals. The second reason is the fact that many innocent people would be killed if the UK had the death penalty but there is no evidence that by wrongly killing those people we would save more people from wrongful deaths (i.e. the idea of it being a deterrent).

I would hope that I would hold to that even in the most dire of personal circumstances however thankfully society is organised in such a way that personal revenge is not the basis for justice.
 
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...snip... If convicted but spared the death penalty his life won't be worth living. It would be better for him if he was executed.
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Personally I can't see anything wrong in principle with assisted suicide for prisoners but unfortunately I can see many practical issues with such a policy.
 
CFLARSON,

Killing someone is different from all the other 'offences' you mentioned, and warrants punishment different from speeding, or shoplifting, or voting twice. If you can't see the difference or understand this concept, so be it.

I never said kill a murderer in the same way they kill their victims, did I?

I said if someone kills another individual for any reason other than self defense, they have given up their right to their own life. I didn't specify methods. If I murder someone, I would fully expect to get the death penalty, and I wouldn't appeal. I understand that I've given up my right to live by taking the life of another, as the law is currently written. I have no problem with it.
 
The first is based on a principle and that is that I am not willing to allow the state that level of power over individuals. The second reason is the fact that many innocent people would be killed if the UK had the death penalty but there is no evidence that by wrongly killing those people we would save more people from wrongful deaths (i.e. the idea of it being a deterrent).
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Darat, I agree with this, and I do not think the death penalty should be used UNLESS there are ZERO doubts that an individual is guilty.
 
I’m against the death penalty. Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem executing certain individuals, but whenever I seriously think about it as policy, I keep running into the same two issues.

The first is implementation. For every Jeffrey Dahmer or John Wayne Gacy there is a Tommy Thompson or Joseph Amrine. While there have been no cases since the re-implementation of the Death penalty in the US where a man has been executed, only to have it proved he was innocent, there have been a bunch of cases where I look at the evidence after the fact and say, “Wait a minute…”

Other issue is necessity. I really don’t see anything that an execution accomplishes that shoving someone into an 8x8 cell doesn’t. Combine this with the possibility of an innocent man being sentenced to death, and I just can’t justify it as policy.
 
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