The Real Big Election... Canada!

That is, many of those busy complaining about Harper will actually vote for him, for reasons of their own which they do not wish to reveal.
Well, technically speaking, only those in Harper's own riding will be voting for him, everyone else will be voting for the MP to represent their particular riding. ;)

With the above in mind, I'll probably be voting NDP again. Not because of any great love for the NDP, but because the person from that party appears to me to be the best of the available candidates to represent the riding I live in. She's done a decent enough job since the last election, so barring a change of opinion, she'll probably get my vote again.

As to Harper, my biggest gripe with him is the decidedly American style he brings to his politics. I do not wish to see American style politics here. We've got our own way of doing things and I prefer it that way.
 
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As to Harper, my biggest gripe with him is the decidedly American style he brings to his politics.
Well- that only makes sense, doesn't it? I mean, the Americans always seem to win their elections, right?
 
If you will take the Palin clan off our hands, I'll bet that some office here can be found for Harper.

Just be warned that it appears that Palins get pregnant with some frequency. They also pack heat. (I am of course discussing the females. No one seems to know what is going on with the males.)
 
In 2000 I was living in Nova Scotia when Brison stepped down to allow Joe Who? to run. I felt this was a disservice to his constituents and as the Liberals didn't run a candidate I chose the only viable protest option: The Marijuana party . I suspect it may be the only vote from a serving member of the armed forces they ever received.
 
One thing I see about our current political situation the way the political fractures have moved from right to left. Back in the 1990s there were two conservative parties in Canada: the Progressive Conservatives and the upstart (and more socially conservative) Reform. Because they kept splitting the seats between them, they could never form a government. Finally they decided to merge into a single party, lest they be forever in opposition.

Now it's the left-of-centre vote that's fractured. We have the Liberals and NDP, the Bloc in Quebec, and the up and coming Greens. With one party on the right and four on the left, our archaic first-past-the-post election system can very easily give us another conservative government. Even if a large majority of Canadians (like 70%) doesn't vote that way!
 
Rumour that the election will be called Sunday

Specifically, "The Green Party of Canada will go to court if necessary to persuade Canada's broadcast consortium to include leader Elizabeth May in the televised leaders' debates for the federal election due to be called on Sunday."

I interpret that to mean that the election will be called Sunday, and not the debates, just to clarify. From last time, I understood that a federal election must be 5 weeks minimum, which means that the last day for an Oct. 14 election would be on Tuesday, Sep. 9. We will know in less than a week...
 
I think they should include Ms May in the debate shown country-wide. She would surely show a heckuva lot more people just how bat-**** crazy her party and policies truly are.;)

Giving her a platform would drive voters to the libs and Pc parties for sure.
 
Our Good Buddy Steve :mad: wants a mandate, and will consider even another minority win as having one, no doubt...

WE can only hope its a minority. I'm in a pickle. I disagree with the tenor, tone, policies and face of Stephen Harper - but I do respect the legacy of Toryism and there are vestiges of that hiding behind the curtains and the weight of that history kind of keeps Harper and the party from becoming the Canadian branch of the Republican party - we are after all, Canada, and our conservatives are a different breed, just one that has a lot of identity confusion right now. Even so, I really, really, don't like the western-based pseudo-populist brand of conservatism that has become dominant after victory in the mish-mash of parties, mergers and name changes that gave us the plain C Conservative party. I also think Harper's style has been appallingly brazen, in the way he dealt with the press, in the way his members would talk about the opposition on national security matters... So I don't want to see any of that vindicated.

My normal politics would see me supporting the policies of a blend of Liberal and NDP, but I still think the liberals need more time out in the cold, a little more time away from the tap from which they drank so greedily.

The NDP are the NDP, and I don't really see them having the leader or the depth on the bench to run a government, even if their policies are sometimes things I'd agree with.

SO here's my ideal scenario. The conservatives lose some seats, but stay in power. The liberals lose some seats, and Dion is finally replaced with someone better. He's better as a minister anyway. The NDP gain some seats. The greens win a seat.

And we stay a conservative minority.
 
Dion's doing a fine enough job with his Green Shift, of making himself into a single-issue candidate, that our Good Buddy Steve :mad: doesn't have to do anything...

... I liked Ignatieff for the job...
 
I want to be careful with this, because I've gotten slammed in the past on the theme. Anyhow, does the matter of Quebec independence play any role in the elections?

In the past when I've asked that question the Ontarians have tended to say it isn't a big deal at all, the Quebecois rolled their eyes, and the westerners just looked baffled and asked what a "kebeck" was. And there are so few people in the Maritimes that they were hard to hear.

Ok, hit me.
 
I want to be careful with this, because I've gotten slammed in the past on the theme. Anyhow, does the matter of Quebec independence play any role in the elections?

In the past when I've asked that question the Ontarians have tended to say it isn't a big deal at all, the Quebecois rolled their eyes, and the westerners just looked baffled and asked what a "kebeck" was. And there are so few people in the Maritimes that they were hard to hear.

Ok, hit me.

That's kind of a cyclical thing and right now its in ebb. Which is not to say that Quebec doesn't play a major role in our politics, just that there isn't a referendum around the corner nor the constituency demanding one...

And thus our politics can worry about french language issues and transfer payments, instead of french separation issues and transfer payments...
 
I guess I'm going the Anything But Conservatives route, myself. My riding has been a gimme for the NDP for so long, but the longstanding candidate has retired from politics this year. I'll actually have to figure out who the best competition for the CP is.

I kind of like Dion's soft spoken demeanor. It appeals to me more than bluster and soundbites. Then again it probably doesn't help the with the stereotype of the Liberals as effeminate, elite, academic, etc. Canadians seem to enjoy French men as PMs, but only if they have that swagger!
 
WE can only hope its a minority. I'm in a pickle. I disagree with the tenor, tone, policies and face of Stephen Harper - but I do respect the legacy of Toryism and there are vestiges of that hiding behind the curtains and the weight of that history kind of keeps Harper and the party from becoming the Canadian branch of the Republican party - we are after all, Canada, and our conservatives are a different breed, just one that has a lot of identity confusion right now.



That's pretty much where I've been the last few elections. My hope is that a few minority governments in a row might finally convince the Conservatives that a socially conservative message will never win them a majority, and they'll decide to abandon that agenda in favour of actually having a chance at making some sort of difference economically. Alas, it appears now that it will take at least one more minority government for them to get the message.

Where are the Red Tories when you need them?


Dion's doing a fine enough job with his Green Shift, of making himself into a single-issue candidate, that our Good Buddy Steve :mad: doesn't have to do anything...

... I liked Ignatieff for the job...


So, we'll need a green smilie and affectionate nickname for Dion then. How about Green Shaft Dion :footinmou ? And yes, the spelling of "Shift/Shaft" was intentional.


I want to be careful with this, because I've gotten slammed in the past on the theme. Anyhow, does the matter of Quebec independence play any role in the elections?


The biggest role these days is that the Bloc Quebecois gets a lot of the seats from Quebec, which means the other national parties can't expect to get a majority by appealing to Quebec. This has the effect of enhancing Ontario's power in the election, as it's the largest block of seats available, and if one party doesn't win a large majority of these seats, we're almost certain to have a minority government again. The only real question is if it will be minority Conservative or Liberal.

Take a look at the results for last time at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_2006#Results_by_province

The BQ got 51 of 75 seats in Quebec. If they had gone Liberal instead, this would have made the Liberals the government. We could play around with other scenarios to see how different breakdowns of the numbers would produce other balances of power, but it's clear that the BQ plays a major spoiler role in Federal politics.

It's interesting to note the very close breakdown of the other Quebec ridings between Conservative and Liberal, as well as the close results in Ontario. Until one of them can break this close-to-a-tie situation, we'll have minority governments for the foreseeable future.
 
So, we'll need a green smilie and affectionate nickname for Dion then. How about Green Shaft Dion :footinmou ? And yes, the spelling of "Shift/Shaft" was intentional.

Problem: I'm not opposed to the plan, so I'm not keen on shafting, but today I read

CBC said:
He also promised a separate fund of $250 million for environmentally friendly research and rebates to farmers who buy technologies that reduce fuel consumption and greenhouse gases. He described this fund as outside the Green Shift plan, but within the electoral platform.

So, two plans, same platform? I'd like to propose

Singleissue Dion :melting

I'd give it to May, but considering that Liberals should be more pragmatic, it seems to suit him...
 
Take a look at the results for last time at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_2006#Results_by_province

The BQ got 51 of 75 seats in Quebec. If they had gone Liberal instead, this would have made the Liberals the government. We could play around with other scenarios to see how different breakdowns of the numbers would produce other balances of power, but it's clear that the BQ plays a major spoiler role in Federal politics.

I'm a little more interested in the table above the one you pointed out, which shows the popular vote. If we had some sort of proportional representation, the Parliament would have looked like this:
Party|Seats (Proportional)|Seats (Actual)
Conservatives|112|124
Liberals|93|103
Bloc|32|51
NDP|54|29
Green|14|0
Other|3|0
Note how the Bloc is over-represented, because they run candidates in only one region. Also note that the NDP and the Greens are under-represented. The Greens in particular; despite getting more than 4% of the popular vote, they didn't get a single seat.

As I mentioned, our current setup allowed the Conservatives to form the government, despite the fact that nearly 65% of Canadians didn't vote for them!

I think, too, in the event the initial minority government loses a confidence vote, the Governor-General should ask two or three other parties if they could try a coalition instead of heading straight into an election. Only if no coalition can be formed, or the one that is formed loses a confidence vote, should there be an election.
 
Say, are guys going to kick up a fuss when President Palin annexes the Yukon?

I figure she'll pull something like Germany in Poland in 1939. That is, she'll dress up a bunch of Alaskan moose in Canadian moose outfits; gun them down; and then claim that they were the leading wave of the Canadian invasion of Alaska. The rest will be easy.
 

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