The real alien conspiracy

[Crossbow]

Well thanks i guess. Truth is i am here to learn, i want to see how entirely implausible it is because based on what i know it seems the most likeliest of occurrence. Also it does show a lot about mans narcissist nature to dismiss it without knowing all the answers simply because to believe they came from the same earth, almost same circumstances as we did, that maybe were truly not made in gods image at all.. and/or that were not as special as we think we are. Thats hard for most people to accept even amongst athiests.

My grandfather used to say "A man/sentient reptiloid can only make a fool of himself".

 

[Border Reiver]

You completely discount my belief but do not give any legitimate criticism, no narrow mindedness there. None at all.

Do you really want criticism? Here goes (drawn from Post 5 of this thread):

They're not aliens, theyre evolved sentient reptiloids.

OK

Evidence comes from the statistics that were much more likely to spot an advanced species at home than we are at their destination.

What statistics? Show your math.

Evidence of the physical existence of anything is that thing. Where are the skeletons, fossils, physical artifacts left by them?

Since theyve evolved to their current state from over 30-50 million years ago to reside in the ocean it would be very difficult to find them in our fossil records.

Why? We have records of completely marine life from before and after the K-T event, Why are these creatures different and what evidence is it based on?

From what i can tell them and other advanced species have mastered space/time compression allowing them to fit a city into the size of a matchbox.

What actual evidence is there that is even theoretically possible let alone that it has been accomplished multiple times by independent parties.

This is what causes the fermi paradox because advanced civilizations no longer impact an entire planet, with their populous actually residing in a spatial small dimension that wed never see through telescopes.

There are a number of ways that people have rationalized why Fermi's Paradox is incorrect. Arguing that a lifeform that evolved on this planet, developed a civilization and has remained completely hidden through the use of advance technology is rather unlikley.

(Also allowing them to evolve much faster because the flow of time is faster inside than out, what do you think neutron stars are? Suns mass inside 7 miles.. Sounds alien to me)

This is completly unsupported by any science known to man or Gojira.

i don't see actual aliens coming here unless they have "business" or are here to conquer.

What sort of business? Brewing? Investment Banking? Fast food? Energy supply? Tourism? Hunting?

Look, Star Trek was cool and all, but Saul Tigh's line from the new BSG is far more likely - "The universe is mostly empty."

As others have said before - there is absolutely no evidence that a sentient dinosaurid developed on this planet and survived the K-T event.

 

[sonjouten]

You can mock me all you want, i actually see the humor of it.. also granted i came to that conclusion *largely based on a psilocybin trip, but also just follow up research into it(largely being unable to completely disprove it.) I know thats not evidence but it does bestow a certain level of belief to me.. im not saying go out and trip balls but.. i am saying if it seems *possible, look into it.

 

[Halcyon Dayz]

Cool story...

The 5% or so of the UFO cases that were properly investigated that were inconclusive were inconclusive because there wasn't enough data to base a conclusion on.
There is no reason what so ever to believe that if there had been enough data that the conclusion would have fallen in a different category.
First prove that any UFO was a non-manmade craft before speculating who the nonman are.

 

[MikeG]

.........Truth is i am here to learn,

No, I'm pretty sure you're not.

.........i want to see how entirely implausible it is because based on what i know it seems the most likeliest of occurrence.

What are you trying to explain? You have fantasised the existence of something ridiculous to explain lights in the sky. That's all. If you were blessed with any critical thinking ability, you would realise that the parsimonious explanations for lights in the sky are all you need.

.........Also it does show a lot about mans narcissist nature to dismiss it without knowing all the answers

No, no, no. Not here. Here is the very place where you'll find people all the time saying we don't know all the answers yet. What we don't do is make **** up to fill in the gaps in our knowledge, which is the justification you are using, despite there not actually being any gaps in our knowledge on this subject.

......... simply because to believe they came from the same earth, almost same circumstances as we did, that maybe were truly not made in gods image at all.. and/or that were not as special as we think we are. Thats hard for most people to accept even amongst athiests.

No one here thinks we're special. On the other hand, no one here feels the need to invent intelligent reptiles out of thin air. Do they perhaps bounce on their tails like a giant dragonfly?

 

[sonjouten]

Do you really want criticism? Here goes (drawn from Post 5 of this thread):



OK



What statistics? Show your math.

Evidence of the physical existence of anything is that thing. Where are the skeletons, fossils, physical artifacts left by them?



Why? We have records of completely marine life from before and after the K-T event, Why are these creatures different and what evidence is it based on?



What actual evidence is there that is even theoretically possible let alone that it has been accomplished multiple times by independent parties.



There are a number of ways that people have rationalized why Fermi's Paradox is incorrect. Arguing that a lifeform that evolved on this planet, developed a civilization and has remained completely hidden through the use of advance technology is rather unlikley.



This is completly unsupported by any science known to man or Gojira.



What sort of business? Brewing? Investment Banking? Fast food? Energy supply? Tourism? Hunting?

Look, Star Trek was cool and all, but Saul Tigh's line from the new BSG is far more likely - "The universe is mostly empty."

As others have said before - there is absolutely no evidence that a sentient dinosaurid developed on this planet and survived the K-T event.

People bury their dead or burn them usually . If you cant find the graveyards you have no proof of their existence. Their development of such technology was a result of their survival mentality after the k-t extinction, learning from it. A city in a matchbox is much easier to protect and control than a continent. Honestly though there's no way of really knowing what wed be looking for anyways, they could be insect sized as far as we know, making a city sized dimensional colony be enough to support a civilization.

 

[Border Reiver]

You can mock me all you want.

No worries on that score.

 

[Andy_Ross]

People bury their dead or burn them usually . If you cant find the graveyards you have no proof of their existence. Their development of such technology was a result of their survival mentality after the k-t extinction, learning from it. A city in a matchbox is much easier to protect and control than a continent. Honestly though there's no way of really knowing what wed be looking for anyways, they could be insect sized as far as we know, making a city sized dimensional colony be enough to support a civilization.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Your claim, your burden of proof.

Anyone can make stuff up.

Time and matter compression? have you benn watching Dr Who?

 

[Horatius]

You can mock me all you want, i actually see the humor of it..

There's actually been very little "mocking". Asking you for you evidence, or your math, isn't mocking. It is, in fact, pretty much the whole point of having a forum relating to skepticism. If you're not interested in presenting and then discussing such evidence, why did you come here?

I know thats not evidence but it does bestow a certain level of belief to me.. im not saying go out and trip balls but.. i am saying if it seems *possible, look into it.

On what basis should we "look into it"? You've already said we shouldn't "trip balls" over it, so what sorts of investigation would you suggest? Bearing in mind you've already asserted that they have left no fossil record, live in matchbook-sized TARDIS-like cities under the ocean, and have consciously chosen not to interact with us primitive man-animals, exactly what do you expect us to do to "look into" this?

 

[JayUtah]

You can mock me all you want...

Is it your aim here to be mocked?

came to that conclusion *largely based on a psilocybin trip...

No lifestyle judgment intended, but I'm not sure that qualifies as a reliable method of explanatory hypothesization and study.

I know thats not evidence...

Not only is it not evidence, it's a reversal of the burden of proof.

but it does bestow a certain level of belief to me.. im not saying go out and trip balls but.. i am saying if it seems *possible, look into it.

I have within my acquaintance people who regularly "trip balls," and yet they are still able to maintain the difference between hallucinogenic recreation and proper rational inquiry. They know the difference, so I don't accept the tacit argument that your lifestyle choice here is inextricably entwined with an ability to suitably theorize and study what you claim.

The problem is not that you hallucinated and then made an unsuccessful straw-man effort to dismiss it as putative fact. The problem is that you're now here trying to evangelize your claims to people whom you must know will not immediately believe you and will ask instead for evidence that you know you cannot produce.

Given those representations, it's hard to imagine that you came here for any other reason than to publicly resent being mocked, for rhetorical effect.

 

[sonjouten]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Your claim, your burden of proof.

Anyone can make stuff up.

Time and matter compression? have you benn watching Dr Who?

Its actually really simple to get, if relatively is to be believed, that gravity is just space compressing down distorting the space time in an area to a smaller spot. Before the event horizon in a black hole time and space are compressed making it seem time is standing still on the inside compared to the outside. If pure space is contained in a place with "less" space and rotated opposite of its gravitational sink, its time dilation effects possibly even reversed (not a reversal in time, but an altered flow of time relative to the outside world) , not exactly as a negative gravity but just reversed core pressure. Like an inverse planet. I know its entirely speculative but its still possible, and in some ways likely. Much more likely in the *Bible is absolutely correct* thing.

 

[Horatius]

Its actually really simple to get, if relatively is to be believed, that gravity is just space compressing down distorting the space time in an area to a smaller spot. Before the event horizon in a black hole time and space are compressed making it seem time is standing still on the inside compared to the outside. If pure space is contained in a place with "less" space and rotated opposite of its gravitational sink, its time dilation effects possibly even reversed (not a reversal in time, but an altered flow of time relative to the outside world) , not exactly as a negative gravity but just reversed core pressure. Like an inverse planet. I know its entirely speculative but its still possible, and in some ways likely. Much more likely in the *Bible is absolutely correct* thing.

https://youtu.be/ke5Mr5eCF2U?t=21s

 

[Rincewind]

It's Bigfoot!

Obviously...

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

It's Bigfoot!

Obviously...

Alien sentient reptiloids, hence forth called "solenoids", show be nicked "Bigclaws", not "Bigfeet". Please note for future use.

Or I'll burn down your city.

Politely, of course.

 

[sonjouten]

If one gives belief to Bigfoot or other cryptozoologic creatures than surely this would be considered possible. I personally am unsure of Bigfoot though.

 

[GlennB]

If one gives belief to Bigfoot or other cryptozoologic creatures than surely this would be considered possible. I personally am unsure of Bigfoot though.

Bigfoot fails for all the same reasons - no evidence.

Upthread I asked you why advanced animals that must have evolved on land chose to move underwater. Any answer? (assuming you've come down from your trip)

 

[Crossbow]

If one gives belief to Bigfoot or other cryptozoologic creatures than surely this would be considered possible. I personally am unsure of Bigfoot though.

You should be sure of Bigfoot.

I was just talking to Bigfoot and he assured me that some of his best friends are sentient reptiloids.

 

[sonjouten]

You should be sure of Bigfoot.

I was just talking to Bigfoot and he assured me that some of his best friends are sentient reptiloids.

Awfully convenient they use the same cemetery eh?

 

[Roger Ramjets]

You ever hear about high incidents of Soviet uso's?

No.

(unidentified submerged objects) the ocean is so vast, weve only explored 5% maybe.. and if we ever found their colonies we either wouldn't know thats what it is or they wouldn't let us tell anyone..

What colonies??? Are you just making **** up?

(Bermuda triangle comes to mind)

The 'Bermuda Triangle' is a myth.

Are they aggressive?

Yes, but don't worry. Imaginary beings can't hurt you...

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Again, what is it we're not supposed to feed?