The Question They WILL not Answer.

[CFLarsen]

Unter, as usual, you're blowing through your trumpet and getting only hot air out the other end. I am not going to bother qualifying a statement about the sermon on the mount by stating, "a large number of people, described in the bible as 10,000 [or 5000] men and all their families, such numbers being open to interpretation and generally held to mean, "a large number"".

No need to get pissy just because I correct your mistakes.

I just use the number out of the bible and entrust that people reading it don't need to argue tedious points like that.

Whatever the number was, it was an immense crowd.

Now, you take the Bible literally: There was an immense crowd. What parts of the Bible should we not take literally?

Just try to suspend your disbelief for a sec and think about this:

But that's the whole point: Unlike you, I don't take anything in the Bible literally.

You're sitting there in the park with your kids and see an honest to god miracle performed by some bloke you've heard about but never seen in the flesh. You have just witnessed GOD at work. Unquestionably, in your mind, you have no further questions - god exists.

Don't you think that you might treat that place as a little bit special and try to impress it upon your family and friends. See, knowing the type of uber-skeptic you are, if you came in here in all honesty and told us all that you had seen a miracle without rational explantion, I wouldn't doubt you and I'd be inspired to find out more. If unter's convinced, I'd be interested and keenly so.

You are merely repeating your contention and ignoring my counterpoint.

So, nobody believes in the bible any more? Must've missed that.

If Christians in general don't claim to know where the grave of Jesus is, why do you blame Christians in general for not being able to know where it is?

 

[TheChadd]

I'm sorry Atheist, I'm as much a non-believer as anyone else, but I can understand ways in which (even if the story is true) over time we have forgotten.

 

[The Atheist]

Actually, I'm a Jehovah's Witness - and while I doubt many would put us under the "liberal christian" umbrella, many of our beliefs are different than traditional, mainstream Christianity.

Yes, that would accurately describe my beliefs about Lourdes and similar sites.

Fair enough. Obviously I can't force you to believe one way or another. The Bible is full of admonishments against worshipping a person (other than God obviously), a place, or a thing, so it should be no surprise that that particular site is not known with 100% certainty.

Cheers, nice answers.

I hadn't realised that JW were so onto the doctrinal angle. Slick work - it's the position I see all christianity being driven inexorably towards.

 

[The Atheist]

I'm sorry Atheist, I'm as much a non-believer as anyone else, but I can understand ways in which (even if the story is true) over time we have forgotten.

Well, you're obviously right, because we sure as hell have!

 

[The Atheist]

Let me just fix this post for you:

You are merely repeating your contention and ignoring my counterpoint strawman.

Cheers.

P.S. If you have a check, I've mentioned that the bible's accuracy or otherwise isn't the point, beyond it containing the myth which christianity's based upon. You know; the "christ" part of christian? There's no point arguing the bible with me, unter, I happen to think it's ALL crap. Christians don't.

 

[CFLarsen]

Let me just fix this post for you:


Cheers.

P.S. If you have a check, I've mentioned that the bible's accuracy or otherwise isn't the point, beyond it containing the myth which christianity's based upon. You know; the "christ" part of christian? There's no point arguing the bible with me, unter, I happen to think it's ALL crap. Christians don't.

What parts of the Bible should we not take literally?

If Christians in general don't claim to know where the grave of Jesus is, why do you blame Christians in general for not being able to know where it is?

 

[H3LL]

It was Earth....Definitely Earth. Not Mars or Venus, but Earth.

I win.

I'm not a xian and The Atheist getting down on his knees is just plain scary.

Send me money instead...Lots of money. $100,000 is good for starters.

I take cheques or cash. Not fussy.
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