The Pushback Against Brewer Has Begun

Puddle Duck said:
For any Brits, think of it as analogous to "Dad's Army" if you are old enough to remember that on the telly. I don't know what that one was really called.
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It was simply called the Home Guard. Very loosely, the German equivalent was the Volkssturm. Mostly older men and teenage boys who would not have normally been considered for military service, or those who otherwise could not go into the regular services. Here's a bit on the British version------------

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Guard_(United_Kingdom)
 
Texas has a State Guard. http://www.txsg.state.tx.us/ My BIL is and has been a very active member for about six years now. Dennis was an MP in the Army right out of high school, but didn't do anything militarily again until joining this group in his early 50s..

So far, they've run emergency shelters during hurricane evacuations and done crowd and parking control for events like Wings Over Houston. Whenever they're "deployed" by the State, Dennis gets paid, but it's like $200 for a week of running an emergency shelter. They don't get paid for manning events for parking and crowd control, that I'm aware of.

They don't open carry weapons while on duty, although most of them have CCLs.
 
The Mutha said:
Texas has a State Guard. http://www.txsg.state.tx.us/ My BIL is and has been a very active member for about six years now. Dennis was an MP in the Army right out of high school, but didn't do anything militarily again until joining this group in his early 50s..

So far, they've run emergency shelters during hurricane evacuations and done crowd and parking control for events like Wings Over Houston. Whenever they're "deployed" by the State, Dennis gets paid, but it's like $200 for a week of running an emergency shelter. They don't get paid for manning events for parking and crowd control, that I'm aware of.

They don't open carry weapons while on duty, although most of them have CCLs.
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A lot of police departments also have unarmed Auxiliaries that perform the same types of functions. We have one in my city. I don't know if they're paid or not.
 
I wonder how many Governors do not have someone who is trying to get a recall going.
 
A bit of a gem from Russell Pearce:

PEARCE: U.S. history, most of us weren’t around when the Constitution was written. But you remember we kind of existed before Congress, the states. We created the Congress, we created the federal government, by compact. Do you know what existed before the Congress, the states? Do you know, you’re not a citizen of the United States. You’re a citizen of a sovereign state. The fifty sovereign states makes up United States of America, we’re citizens of those sovereign states. It is not a delegated authority. It’s an inherent authority that states have over the federal government. [applause] It’s about time somebody gets it right!
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http://thinkprogress.org/2011/03/21/russell-pearce-tentherism-citizen/

"What a maroon!"
 
I think I understand the term, but you obviously have some special meaning you want to convey, so why don't you explain it to me?
 
leftysergeant said:
Have you ever heard the term "useful idiots?"
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Have you ever heard the term "you don't live here, so what the **** makes you think you know about all it, why don't go make Wisconson the subject of your precious little partisan idiotlogic battles for awhile?"

ETA: To paraphrase Yossarian: "The enemy is anyone spewing uncritical rhetoric, no matter which side he's on".

Yeah, we've got problems. Yeah, we've got some idiots and hatemongers in office... but they're our problems and our idiots, and we'll deal with them.
 
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Piscivore said:
Have you ever heard the term "you don't live here, so what the **** makes you think you know about all it, why don't go make Wisconson the subject of your precious little partisan idiotlogic battles for awhile?"
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For some reason, that argument makes no logical sense.
 
Swagomatic said:
I think I understand the term, but you obviously have some special meaning you want to convey, so why don't you explain it to me?
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The white nationalists know they will never have the nubers they need to pull it off. But they can, ideally, convince a bunch of morons to fight for a cause that is not in their best interests by convincing them that they are fighting for something else. Brewer and Pearce are building a cult of personality around themselves and it is unlikely that the State Guard, under Brewer's command, would be totally staffed at the higher levels by rational people, but rather, by followersx of Brewer and Pearce.

They are dangerous.
 
leftysergeant said:
The white nationalists know they will never have the nubers they need to pull it off. But they can, ideally, convince a bunch of morons to fight for a cause that is not in their best interests by convincing them that they are fighting for something else. Brewer and Pearce are building a cult of personality around themselves and it is unlikely that the State Guard, under Brewer's command, would be totally staffed at the higher levels by rational people, but rather, by followersx of Brewer and Pearce.

They are dangerous.
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I agree that the idea of a state guard is absurd and unnecessary, but the notion that Jan Brewer and Russell Pearce are the leaders of some "cult of personality" is beyond ridiculous.
 
Swagomatic said:
I agree that the idea of a state guard is absurd and unnecessary, but the notion that Jan Brewer and Russell Pearce are the leaders of some "cult of personality" is beyond ridiculous.
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The concept of a State Guard is totally rational and is provided for under federal law. It can, however, be used in a dangerous way by a corrupt governor if adequate safeguards are not built into the organizing law.

Pearce and Brewer do appear to be attempting to form a cult of personality. Their flamboyant posturing is the first indicator of that.

Dangerous.
 
leftysergeant said:
The concept of a State Guard is totally rational and is provided for under federal law. It can, however, be used in a dangerous way by a corrupt governor if adequate safeguards are not built into the organizing law.

Pearce and Brewer do appear to be attempting to form a cult of personality. Their flamboyant posturing is the first indicator of that.

Dangerous.
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The National Guard already exists and is sufficient. This state, Arizona, does not even have enough tax revenue to properly fund K-8 education. That's the absurdity of the situation. Our economy is in the dumper, yet somehow there is money to fund a new State Guard. That kind of thing does not sell well here. Especially to the business community.

You might imagine that everyone here loves Russell Pearce and Jan Brewer, but you are dead wrong. There is no "cult of personality." In fact, I believe that for such a "cult" to exist, its leader must have a personality in the first place. I give you Jan and Russell as my primary evidence.
 
Swagomatic said:
You might imagine that everyone here loves Russell Pearce and Jan Brewer, but you are dead wrong. There is no "cult of personality." In fact, I believe that for such a "cult" to exist, its leader must have a personality in the first place. I give you Jan and Russell as my primary evidence.
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Too right. Even asignifigant portion of Republicans here think Brewer is a joke. She got voted in because she was made to look like a big anti-Obama hero for signing the immigration law, but every time she opens her mouth she sticks a few more toes in.

The only "cult of personality" in this state is the one surrounding Arpaio, and that one's cracking.
 
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