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The Pushback Against Brewer Has Begun

leftysergeant

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The move to recall Jan Brewer has bwgun. She has jkust enraged too many people and assumed too much power to herself for decent people to stand by and watch people die because she figured the state could not afford to do anything for them.

Remember when all the Republicons, led by Caribou Barbie were shrieking about "death panels" in Obama's health care plan?

Arizona has a one-member death panel and she has declared that nobody gets an organ transplant on the public dime while she is Governor of Arizona.

Two people have died so far as a direct result of her calousness.

Her opponent in the Primaries, Dr. Matt Jette has become so disgusted with what creeps like Brewer have done to the party that he is now a self-identified DEMOCRAT.

A Republican woman has started a recall petition against Brewer, and Jette is totally on board with it now.



Now the guanophrenic little twit is talking about creating a State Guard, which is withn the law, but it is troubling on many levels that she would do so.

The first concern, or course, is how she intends to pay for it.

How will command be structured. (This is really, really, I mesan really FREAKING HUGE.) I don't see that twit of a governor doing the job you would expect of a butterbar fresh from OCS once the units are formed.

That the whacktard might have some idea of comming the State Guard to support her personally should scare the crap out of every citizen who has a clue about power sharing in the pre-Gorby Soviet Union.

BAD freaking dieda
 
Well, I thought things were strange here in the late 80's when Evan Mecham was elected and then recalled. Now, we have a governor who is three ranks above her level of incompetence and who is a hand puppet for the fringe right wing senate president.

Seriously, the political atmosphere in this state is absolutely bizarre. Competent, intelligent people rarely run for office here - and who can blame them?
 
retracted. I am leaving, for real this time. Farewell all. It's been real. Sorta.
 
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I thought Mecham was tossed out of office for corruption?

I read the OP, watched some of the video, and kept thinking this might turn rational. No, I would not have voted for Brewer: Her policy is wrong. And if I were living in Arizona, I'd vote for recall.

But I don't have to engage in smear. The woman's wrong, her policies are wrong, and that ought to be the end of it.
 
Jan Brewer came into power when Janet Napalatino went to work for Obama, so to some extent that was not a we-the-voters doing. My perspective (trust me, always flawed) is that she was surprisingly moderate during her first term. I actually started liking her, she seemed more centrist. It seemed like some gears were turning.

Then just before last election, the first one she actually had to run for office - things changed rapidly. The state Republican power brokers seemed to think she was a bit too centrist and began working to get rid of her in the Republican primary. In reaction to that, Jan started supporting this weird stuff on immigration laws and following the storyline of private prison system companies. "Bring us your rapists, murderers, etc yearning to be free".

So long story and an election later, she is pretty much a puppet. Her public performance during the election has sort of made her a hostage to whatever wind blows from the Republican leadership.

The real personality of government has been people like Russell Pearce. He has his own website, (sans neo-Nazi friends).
http://www.russellpearce.com/

If Jan Brewer went, I doubt we would see much change.

whiplash Sorry to see anyone go. I don't remember any of your posts though. I suspect would be much the same for me...
 
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Kopji said:
The real personality of government has been people like Russell Pearce. He has his own website, (sans neo-Nazi friends).
http://www.russellpearce.com/

If Jan Brewer went, I doubt we would see much change.
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Forgive the snip, but I wanted to keep it simple.

Read up on this guy. While some of what he supports is good, valid, and worthwhile, there's a lot that just plain scares the hell out of me. His support for Ready, and his forwarding of mail from white supremacists isn't simply ill considered, it smacks of support for this kind of garbage.

I don't think a recall of Brewer has a chance in hell, but I'd still sign on simply to voice my disapproval of her actions.
 
leftysergeant said:
Now the guanophrenic little twit is talking about creating a State Guard, which is withn the law, but it is troubling on many levels that she would do so.

The first concern, or course, is how she intends to pay for it.

How will command be structured. (This is really, really, I mesan really FREAKING HUGE.) I don't see that twit of a governor doing the job you would expect of a butterbar fresh from OCS once the units are formed.

That the whacktard might have some idea of comming the State Guard to support her personally should scare the crap out of every citizen who has a clue about power sharing in the pre-Gorby Soviet Union.

BAD freaking dieda
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It does scare the crap out of me. The actual bill is less than a page long

THE BILL

For any reason the governor deems she can create this army funded by national guard money. It would be under her control only.

My biggest fear is armed and deputized civilians patrolling the boarder with the legal authority to commit acts of vigilantly justice. You know those minute men and such are just itching to start firing south.
 
Biscuit said:
It does scare the crap out of me. The actual bill is less than a page long

THE BILL

For any reason the governor deems she can create this army funded by national guard money. It would be under her control only.

My biggest fear is armed and deputized civilians patrolling the boarder with the legal authority to commit acts of vigilantly justice. You know those minute men and such are just itching to start firing south.
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When citizens were patrolling the border they simply reported to the INS when they saw illegal entry into the country. The INS did nothing, but at least they were made aware of what was going on.

This scares the hell out of me, because now, these people will not only report, but they'll have the authority to shoot, and will have the full protection of the government for vigilante acts. What the hell is Brewer thinking?
 
Biscuit said:
It does scare the crap out of me. The actual bill is less than a page long

THE BILL

For any reason the governor deems she can create this army funded by national guard money. It would be under her control only.

My biggest fear is armed and deputized civilians patrolling the boarder with the legal authority to commit acts of vigilantly justice. You know those minute men and such are just itching to start firing south.
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What the bill doesn't say is just what this "guard" is supposed to do. They already have a state highway patrol agency. The governor's office already has control over them. This is just political grandstanding. I swear, some of the dumbest stuff I've ever seen comes out of state legislatures. They pass rotten legislation and then wait until someone contests it in court. What a damned waste.
 
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Roadtoad said:
I thought Mecham was tossed out of office for corruption?

I read the OP, watched some of the video, and kept thinking this might turn rational. No, I would not have voted for Brewer: Her policy is wrong. And if I were living in Arizona, I'd vote for recall.

But I don't have to engage in smear. The woman's wrong, her policies are wrong, and that ought to be the end of it.
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Well, there was a recall and an impeachment. The recall was successful, but Mecham was then impeached before the recall election (at least that's what I remember). Following that, Rose Mofford, the Secretary of State, became the new governor.

Jan Brewer is really out of her depth. I almost feel sorry for her at times. It seems she is groping for something halfway intelligent to say.

It looks like maybe the legislature has finally realized that there is real state business that must be done. Enough with the official state firearms and the private armies.
 
Roadtoad said:
Forgive the snip, but I wanted to keep it simple.

Read up on this guy. While some of what he supports is good, valid, and worthwhile, there's a lot that just plain scares the hell out of me. His support for Ready, and his forwarding of mail from white supremacists isn't simply ill considered, it smacks of support for this kind of garbage.

I don't think a recall of Brewer has a chance in hell, but I'd still sign on simply to voice my disapproval of her actions.
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No problem on the snip. I'll have to look for some guidance from that bad boy upchurch on what the limits are. lol

Recalling politicians is a very time honored Arizona tradition. For my first few years in Flagstaff, I don't remember any city council member going a term without having a recall...

The defeat of five of Pearce's immigration bills is something of a slap in his face, and certainly some cold water on Republican leadership. I pretty much believe what the Republicans have said about it: it is not the public they are listening to on this, it is the business community. Just from their public statements, they've made the error of thinking that all business leaders agree with them. I know I hear that Republican are all big business and such, but I really don't see that as being true. Plenty of businesses have a liberal or progressive leaning.
 
Uncle Otto said:
What the bill doesn't say is just what this "guard" is supposed to do. They already have a state highway patrol agency. The governor's office already has control over them. This is just political grandstanding. I swear, some of the dumbest stuff I've ever seen comes out of state legislatures. They pass rotten legislation and then wait until someone contests it in court. What a damned waste.
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It doesn't say what they are for, where they will get their equipment from, or who will be in it! Its just a bill that allows Brewer to use federal money to create her own army at her disposal. Could she force people to join? Would there be any training? YIKES!
 
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It doesn't say what they are for, where they will get their equipment from, or who will be in it! Its just a bill that allows Brewer to use federal money to create her own army at her disposal. Could she force people to join? Would there be any training? YIKES!
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Im not going to get too exited about it. The only thing I can't find online so far is just where all the funding for the National Guard comes from. I don't know if the individual states pay for any of it or not. If it's all federal money, she probably couldn't use it for such a private guard type organization to begin with. I'm just guessing though. That bill really doesn't say much of anything.
 
I don't think it is a big thing. Big caveat; I'm giving info that is about 30 years old and things might have changed.

There are a bunch of state forces (call them Home Guards) that exist around the country, but I no longer know which states have them. They pretty much function and are using the same template as the National Guard, but are totally state owned, and are at various levels of manning from operational units, to Cadre only, to existing only on paper. Right now Brewer controls the National Guard and can direct them for whatever she wants within the law. The thing she can't control is getting the Guard nationalized.

The new guard would be pretty much the same. The funding for the new group would come from the state only and would be volunteers only. No draft. No federal money. Training would be what the state could afford. I would guess that the Feds could do the same thing to the new group (nationalize them) if they wanted to, but your guess is as good as mine.

When WWII started, the National Guard was called up and shipped off. The states then formed what was called the Home Guard and dropped it into the National Guard template. They were totally state run units & were supposedly there to fill all functions of the Natl. Guard, but were funded only by the states and were filled by veterans, 4Fs, and/or any one else that would not be pulled into the military.

The town where I was born formed a rifle company, and my father was the First Sergeant. He was classified married with children and worked in a critical defense industry, so the military didn't want him. However he went through the National Guard routine as part of the Home Guard.

For any Brits, think of it as analogous to "Dad's Army" if you are old enough to remember that on the telly. I don't know what that one was really called.

So I think that the bill is a nonevent.
 
Federal law does provide for a state-level military force under the command of the governor of each state, and gives only vague directions as to how they shall be organized.

They cannot be placed under federal command unless there is a general mobilization of every person capable of doing anything to support the war effort. I know that we have a Washington State Guard headquarter at Camp Murray, but I have never encountered them on any kind of operational exercise or seen them called up to fight wild fires or do flood responce.

Only the timing and place worries me about this. As deranged as Brewer is, can we count on her not trying to use such a force as her personal Schuetzstaffel? I wouldn't put it past the guanophrenic little twit.
 
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