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The Punishment of Gaza

The Palestinian Authority recognized Israel's right to exist during the 1st Netanyahu administration.

And the PLO recognized Israel as part of the Oslo Accords.

...has the Knesset recognized the right of Palestine to exist as an independent state, in most if not all of the West Bank and Gaza?

no, they have not. funny how that it is..eh Bigjel?

funny how the PLO Charter not being ammended to your satisfaction gets your goat, but Israel's failure to recognize Palestine's right to exist, does not.
 
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Same response in the same thread you abandoned which discussed this very topic: PNC hasn't amended the PLO charter that denies Israel's right to exist. Israel has no charter stating anything of the sort.

The PA/PLO quite regularly engage in the practice of doublespeak. Israel doesn't.
 
bigjelmapro said:
Same response in the same thread you abandoned which discussed this very topic: PNC hasn't amended the PLO charter that denies Israel's right to exist. Israel has no charter stating anything of the sort.

The PA/PLO quite regularly engage in the practice of doublespeak. Israel doesn't.
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The reason they don't actually amend the charter is so any future government can say they're not bound by the agreement.
 
JonathanS said:
"By reading Mr Levy's book you will find out what they don't want you to know."
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i know........... that religion oppresses

Sounds a little conspiratorial..
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any that hold a religion over personal responsibility are not exibiding empathy but that the selfish pursuit is accepted as warranted.

any religion that teaches people they are better than another is practically a conspiracy of ignorance.

much like the rest of your post. I wish people wouldn't hijack words like "apartheid", "oppression" and "persecution".
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to divide people based on a belief is an apartheid

to do so with force is a form of oppression

and zionists persecute innocent (women and children for what their fathers did; zionist believe they have a right to israel not based on love and compassion but on the guilt of of the innocent (persecution) (the llived there for almost a 1000 yrs and were uprooted with zero restitution/reparations)

as far as i can see, the palestians should have the zionist at their feet begging for forgiveness (as the palestinians did not fight during ww2)

let the zionist have germany if guilt is the reason



There are people in this world that are truly suffering
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and in gaza, it has lasted for decades.

And unlike other conflict around the world, the Palestinians can end this in a heartbeat.
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but they are not the aggressors.

the agressors must stop


ie... jeruselem is not israel


All they have to do is support peace instead of violence and recognize that there are over six million Jews, Christians and Arabs living side by side with them that deserve to live in peace without constant rocket attacks, kidnappings, drive by shootings and suicide bombings.
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if the christians and muslims could vote in equality, the prideful zionist would not be in power.

ie... if israel was a democratic state this issue would have been done a long time ago.

and the USA population has no idea that israel is a religious state which is against our constitution and our congress is not supposed to fund a religious state.


we have been bamboozled by desception!


The "Israel is a brutal apartheid fascist Zio-Nazi regime" conspiracy deserves its own topic thread on JREF.
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ever met a zionist? The whole frame of prayer and belief is based on 'oh israel'.


is that a conspiracy or just rude?
 
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bigjelmapro said:
He's still pretending that the PLO charter was amended (accepting Israel's existence) because the PNC had a meeting where they said they were gonna do it, but really didn't.
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lordy lordy...the old "not amended" line being given another run? Has it been long enough since you were all handed your hats last time on that topic?


Can you possibly change "not amended" to "not ammended to my satisfaction" it would save you from being toweled on the topic every time you raise it.


see...the US constitution has never been amended.....not to my satisfaction anyway, they never erased the old stuff, I can still read it.....poor effort. Not amended......
 
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well, it is a fact that no new amended Charter has been published by the PLO.

this..is indeed problematic.

though, the Knesset has yet to pass a resolution recognizing the Palestinian people's right to an independent and sovereign state in the West Bank and Gaza.

it is highly hypocritical for Israelis and Zionists to bitch and moan about the PLO Charter, while not pushing their own government to recognize the right of Palestine to exist.

I suggest the Knesset pass some sort of resolution recognizing the right of Palestine to exist in Gaza and the West Bank, as a sign of good faith towards the Palestinians. The PLO will then be forced to publish an amended version of their Charter, or appear to be dishonest regarding their recognition of Israel.
 
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Thunder said:
well, it is a fact that no new amended Charter has been published by the PLO.

this..is indeed problematic.

though, the Knesset has yet to pass a resolution recognizing the Palestinian people's right to an independent and sovereign state in the West Bank and Gaza.

it is highly hypocritical for Israelis and Zionists to bitch and moan about the PLO Charter, while not pushing their own government to recognize the right of Palestine to exist.

I suggest the Knesset pass some sort of resolution recognizing the right of Palestine to exist in Gaza and the West Bank, as a sign of good faith towards the Palestinians. The PLO will then be forced to publish an amended version of their Charter, or appear to be dishonest regarding their recognition of Israel.
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Uh, they were supposed to amend the PNC years ago as the result of previous negotiations. They don't get to make adherence to their previous committment contingent on further demands in addition to the ones previously agreed upon.
 
Thunder said:
well, it is a fact that no new amended Charter has been published by the PLO.
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A new one has to be published? Were is the new US constitution, when was it published.....all I see are a lot of bits of paper saying the old original faded mouldy one is amended,,,, Personally I don't accept any ammendments not on pink paper so the US constutution is unamended as far as I see....

As for the PLO, the Charter was amended by proclaimation and is outlined in a letter. (see, a bit of paper!) Maybe they can put the letter in a glass topped inert gas filled box to impress wilcat.
 
The Fool said:
A new one has to be published? Were is the new US constitution, when was it published.....all I see are a lot of bits of paper saying the old original faded mouldy one is amended,,,, Personally I don't accept any ammendments not on pink paper so the US constutution is unamended as far as I see....
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Pathetic. I'm not demanding all old copies be destroyed, I'm asking you to show an official copy of the amended PNC. Which you can't produce, because it hasn't been amended.

The Fool said:
As for the PLO, the Charter was amended by proclaimation and is outlined in a letter. (see, a bit of paper!) Maybe they can put the letter in a glass topped inert gas filled box to impress wilcat.
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Article 33 of the PNC details how it can be amended, and "proclamation" sure as hell isn't that way.

All your precious proclamation is is a promise to amend the PNC at some other time. Let me know when that time arrives.
 
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PNC hasn't made the amendment and PNC officials admitted that the PLO charter remains the same. Pretty straightforward.
 
WildCat said:
Pathetic. I'm not demanding all old copies be destroyed, I'm asking you to show an official copy of the amended PNC. Which you can't produce, because it hasn't been amended.


Article 33 of the PNC details how it can be amended, and "proclamation" sure as hell isn't that way.

All your precious proclamation is is a promise to amend the PNC at some other time. Let me know when that time arrives.
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They can't amend their own charter by proclamation? Have you told them?


Let me guess, there is no conflict at all in US constitutional law and the truth is as you see it.....likewise the PLO charter I imagine.

You could save both the US and Palestinian judiciary a lot of trouble if you just gave them a copy of what you hold to be self evident.
 
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where is a copy of the amended Constitution of the USA? its online.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_States

there is no such digital or physical copy of the amended PLO Charter.

this is because, no such copy exists. the PLO has yet to print or publish any such Charter.
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the damn charter exists as does the letter amending it. Just like you do in the US of A....you see the original document plus the documents that come later that amend it.
 
bigjelmapro said:
PNC hasn't made the amendment and PNC officials admitted that the PLO charter remains the same. Pretty straightforward.
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which official? I'm sure there are those that disagree. Just like the interpretation of your basic laws....I wonder if I can find two Israeli officials that disagree about the basic laws?


Palestinians are not the Borg....
 
Look chaps, why don't you type out your legal opinion and send it in? You may actually influence opinion....the world may not salute as you seem to expect but you never know your luck.
 
The Fool said:
They can't amend their own charter by proclamation? Have you told them?
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No, they can't. And I don't need to tell them, they're fully aware.

Let me guess, there is no conflict at all in US constitutional law and the truth is as you see it
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Go ahead The Fool, find a single example of the US Constitution being amended by means other than that spelled out in the Constitution. I won't hold my breath waiting.

.....likewise the PLO charter I imagine.
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Which part of the PNC allows for amendment by proclamation? :rolleyes:

You could save both the US and Palestinian judiciary a lot of trouble if you just gave them a copy of what you hold to be self evident.
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Cool! Here's the copy of the US Constitution, amendments and all! http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution

I'll let you link to the amended PNC... ready? Go! :rolleyes:
 
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