The proof that Saddam worked with bin Laden

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The proof that Saddam worked with bin Laden
By Inigo Gilmore
(Filed: 27/04/2003)

Iraqi intelligence documents discovered in Baghdad by The Telegraph have provided the first evidence of a direct link between Osama bin Laden's al-Qa'eda terrorist network and Saddam Hussein's regime.
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Over the past three weeks, The Telegraph has discovered various other intelligence files in the wrecked Mukhabarat building, including documents revealing how Russia passed on to Iraq details of private conversations between Tony Blair and Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian prime minister, and how Germany held clandestine meetings with the regime.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...ml&sSheet=/portal/2003/04/27/ixportaltop.html
 
I know that you took your thread title from the story's headline, but I cannot consider it very accurate. The documents show that people high up in the Iraqi intelligence department were meeting with al-Qa'eda and were hoping to meet with Bin Laden. That does not mean Hussein knew of these meetings and plans. If R. Reagan and G.H.W. Bush were allowed to deny all knowledge of "rogue agent" Lt. Col. Oliver North, then I think Hussein should be allowed the same perogative.
 
Thanks for the info Supercharts I hope this turns out to be the real thing this time.
 
oh, the telegraph found more handy documents? anyone think they may be the choice of the intelligence services?

the good old daily Torygraph
 
Ladewig said:
I know that you took your thread title from the story's headline, but I cannot consider it very accurate. The documents show that people high up in the Iraqi intelligence department were meeting with al-Qa'eda and were hoping to meet with Bin Laden. That does not mean Hussein knew of these meetings and plans. If R. Reagan and G.H.W. Bush were allowed to deny all knowledge of "rogue agent" Lt. Col. Oliver North, then I think Hussein should be allowed the same perogative.
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Somehow I don't think anyone in Iraq would have had the guts to do an end-run around Saddam, do you?
 
LukeT said:
Somehow I don't think anyone in Iraq would have had the guts to do an end-run around Saddam, do you?
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I heard a number of stories how Saddam would dispatch those he believed were disloyal. I don't know how true they are but one told of a man who had secretly met with Iranian officials during the war in hopes of finding a solution to the protacted and costly war. When he informed Saddam of his "success" in front of Saddam's advisors Saddam did not say anything. Later the man was delievered to his family in butchers paper drawn and quartered. Normaly I would dismiss such a story but aparently there are lots of such stories that have been documented including a taped meeting of saddam killing those he suspected of disloyalty.

Anyone have any proof of my story, the infamous meeting or others like it?
 
The CIA had already thoroughly searched that building, and then left. Then the Telegraph moved in and found all sorts of documents they'd missed. Does anyone else wonder whether they were planted, not overlooked?
 
Ian Osborne said:
The CIA had already thoroughly searched that building, and then left. Then the Telegraph moved in and found all sorts of documents they'd missed. Does anyone else wonder whether they were planted, not overlooked?
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You were there and saw the "thorough" search? Of course, the article says it was found in rubble. I think Occam's Razor should be your guide.
 
Hey, at least it's different from the near- daily threads screaming 'We found the WMD proof'... ;)
 
Somehow I don't think anyone in Iraq would have had the guts to do an end-run around Saddam, do you?
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There were some Nazi officers who tried to assissinate Hitler in 1944 despite being aware of how ruthlessly he dealt with his enemies.

Also, some people are so enamored of a religious Jihad that it clouds their reasoning.

I'm not saying it is likely that all this (if true) was happening without S.H.'s knowledge, I'm saying that it is possible.
 
Actually, I think what you're saying is
" I can't bear the fact that there is evidence of Bush being right".
 
Ladewig can confirm what he meant when he said "I'm saying that it is possible." But after reading it closely, I think what he is saying is that "...it is possible."

I'm curious, considering the huge amount of unsubstantiated claims of WMD and others stuff coming out of Iraq. Why are you, on a skeptic forum, challenging a skeptical comment about yet another single source claim? Can you offer genuine proof to the claim?
 
Ian Osborne said:
The CIA had already thoroughly searched that building, and then left. Then the Telegraph moved in and found all sorts of documents they'd missed. Does anyone else wonder whether they were planted, not overlooked?
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I was not aware that the CIA had already thoroughly searched the building. I didn't see reference to that in the story linked.

Where did you learn of this?

Thanks. :)
 
Ladewig said:
The documents show that people high up in the Iraqi intelligence department were meeting with al-Qa'eda and were hoping to meet with Bin Laden. That does not mean Hussein knew of these meetings and plans. If R. Reagan and G.H.W. Bush were allowed to deny all knowledge of "rogue agent" Lt. Col. Oliver North, then I think Hussein should be allowed the same perogative.
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If the allegations are true, then from the perspective of the United States, does it matter much if Saddam was in the loop or not?

Also, it seems to me that "plausible deniability" at the very highest levels of government is substantially less plausible in a rigid autocracy like Iraq's than it would be in the United States.
 
ceo_esq said:
If the allegations are true, then from the perspective of the United States, does it matter much if Saddam was in the loop or not?
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Funny how we can get sidetracked on minutiae. No it does not matter at all. If Saddam's regime was connected it was connected and that is all that matters.

Though I personally doubt that there is a plausible scenario for this end-a-round. Trying to assassinate Hitler to spare ones country of ignominious defeat is one thing. Pissing of a murderer for no good reason is another.
 
Supercharts said:
The proof that Saddam worked with bin Laden
By Inigo Gilmore
(Filed: 27/04/2003)

Iraqi intelligence documents discovered in Baghdad by The Telegraph have provided the first evidence of a direct link between Osama bin Laden's al-Qa'eda terrorist network and Saddam Hussein's regime.
***
Over the past three weeks, The Telegraph has discovered various other intelligence files in the wrecked Mukhabarat building, including documents revealing how Russia passed on to Iraq details of private conversations between Tony Blair and Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian prime minister, and how Germany held clandestine meetings with the regime.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...ml&sSheet=/portal/2003/04/27/ixportaltop.html
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There is not direct proof, read it:


Papers found yesterday in the bombed headquarters of the Mukhabarat, Iraq's intelligence service, reveal that an al-Qa'eda envoy was invited clandestinely to Baghdad in March 1998.
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"Invited" does not mean, shared chemical weapons and decided to run airplanes into buildings together.

Interesting "There are three pages, stapled together; two are on paper headed with the insignia and lettering of the Mukhabarat" ... handwritten pages easy to fake?

BTW: I'm still waiting for the CIA to "find" WMD.
 
It certainly shows an interest in working together, something that the anti-war crowd sneered at as ridiculous.
The WMD is being tracked down. You'll hear plenty soon... it's early yet.
How do you prefer your crow? Rare? Well done?
 
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