What do you mean by "fleecing of the public"? Are these people coming to defraud the local populace out of their property? Or will their visit result in millions of dollars being injected into the local economy of a region facing massive fiscal problems?Suezoled said:
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These people allow only men to attend their seminars. The speakers tell that God has made man head of his household (a female wife and kids), and should be by natural order this way in this day and age.
their official site:
http://www.promisekeepers.org/
I'll admit it's less the fleecing (selling overpriced tickets and overpriced merchandise), and more the message they seem to send that bothers me.
ceo_esq said:
These people allow only men to attend their seminars. The speakers tell that God has made man head of his household (a female wife and kids), and should be by natural order this way in this day and age.
their official site:
http://www.promisekeepers.org/
I'll admit it's less the fleecing (selling overpriced tickets and overpriced merchandise), and more the message they seem to send that bothers me.
Hexxenhammer
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I imagine her running down the street like in "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" yelling "They're here! They're here! You're next! You're next!"
If anyone is interested, Mel Gibson´s movie, "The Passion of Christ" has been fully endorsed by PK, and in this interview, Gibson claims his movie set produced genuine miracles:
http://www.promisekeepers.org/paff/pass/paffpass20.htm
Can Mel be next to take the JREF million dollar challenge?
http://www.promisekeepers.org/paff/pass/paffpass20.htm
Can Mel be next to take the JREF million dollar challenge?
My stepfather likes and goes to Promise Keeper rallys.
It didn't change his relationship with my mother. It's still a marriage of equals.
I would gather that it's not a constant "you are superior and need to dominate the marriage" rally. I'm sure other things are said that he finds valuable.
It didn't change his relationship with my mother. It's still a marriage of equals.
I would gather that it's not a constant "you are superior and need to dominate the marriage" rally. I'm sure other things are said that he finds valuable.
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Silicon said:
do the meetings have an open bar? i would attend almost anything if it had an open bar.
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If this group teaches that God has made man head of the household, it must be pretty far down on their list of priorities judging solely by their website, since nothing directly addressing this point can be found in their FAQ, their Mission Statement, their "Statement of Faith", their "Seven Promises", or their "Eight Biblical Principles of Reconciliation". Was there a particular part of the site you meant to draw our attention to?
At any rate, being divinely appointed as head of household is well and good, but it's hard to judge what this concept really signifies without any discussion on the group's part as to the practical implications.
The merchandise (at least on the website) does not look to be of the highest quality, but it ranges in price from dirt-cheap to average. The tickets are being sold for a fraction of what TAM2 tickets cost - and less than 10% of, say, the cost of some professional conferences I've attended. I'm not sure where the fleecing comes in.
I guess I'm just not clearly understanding what your post meant, what you're basing it on, or what your gripe with this particular group is in contrast to the many other conventioneers who visit Albany every year.
I don't really know anything about this group except what I gleaned from the website you linked. Apparently it is a special-interest men's organization. This being the case, it seems reasonable enough that they should restrict seminar attendance to members, and restrict membership to men.Suezoled said:
If this group teaches that God has made man head of the household, it must be pretty far down on their list of priorities judging solely by their website, since nothing directly addressing this point can be found in their FAQ, their Mission Statement, their "Statement of Faith", their "Seven Promises", or their "Eight Biblical Principles of Reconciliation". Was there a particular part of the site you meant to draw our attention to?
At any rate, being divinely appointed as head of household is well and good, but it's hard to judge what this concept really signifies without any discussion on the group's part as to the practical implications.
The merchandise (at least on the website) does not look to be of the highest quality, but it ranges in price from dirt-cheap to average. The tickets are being sold for a fraction of what TAM2 tickets cost - and less than 10% of, say, the cost of some professional conferences I've attended. I'm not sure where the fleecing comes in.
I guess I'm just not clearly understanding what your post meant, what you're basing it on, or what your gripe with this particular group is in contrast to the many other conventioneers who visit Albany every year.
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Re: Re: Re: The Promise Keepers are coming!
This is from the front page of their website.
"Promise Keepers is not a membership organization. Men and women of God are welcome to participate in our ministries"
except for a lot of religious crap, there doensn't seem to be anything inflammatory on their website
Suezoled said:
This is from the front page of their website.
"Promise Keepers is not a membership organization. Men and women of God are welcome to participate in our ministries"
except for a lot of religious crap, there doensn't seem to be anything inflammatory on their website
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Fine and well.
http://www.promisekeepers.org/faqs/genr/faqsgenr28.htm
I object to organized religion or bibles being used to wield authority over another person or persons. I object to reinforcement of the concept (on a religous basis) that a family is a man, a woman, and a child, while the rights of homosexuals are being fought over. I object to the mentality that men need to be seperated from women in a fraternity-like mentality to instruct them in what to think.
ceo_esq said:
Fine and well.
It's not far down on their priorities. One of the things they teach a man is that he is head of household, and he needs to be one. This also means his wife must submit to his authority, by reasoning of the bible.
TAM2 also lasted 3 days, and you had to make your own travel arrangements. The fleecing comes from selling merchandise at a profit for an organization that does not advertise itself as for-profit.
http://www.promisekeepers.org/faqs/genr/faqsgenr28.htm
I object to organized religion or bibles being used to wield authority over another person or persons. I object to reinforcement of the concept (on a religous basis) that a family is a man, a woman, and a child, while the rights of homosexuals are being fought over. I object to the mentality that men need to be seperated from women in a fraternity-like mentality to instruct them in what to think.
and
Yes. Lifting up women through the men they submit to. By the bible, and god, and religion, all things that are fundamentally flawed as the humans who conceived them, but the flaws or bad parts will be ignored en masse once again.
You know, I also had the same opinion of Promise Keepers as Suezoled. An opinion that I reached by reports in the media, not by attendance or by reading the materials provided by the group.
Suezoled, your vehimance is showing. The idea that they are getting men alone, away from their wives, so they can brainwash them?
Well, I find that comment sexist, too.
Mind control?
I don't think Promise Keepers does that any more or less than any other religious group.
Suezoled, your vehimance is showing. The idea that they are getting men alone, away from their wives, so they can brainwash them?
Well, I find that comment sexist, too.
Mind control?
I don't think Promise Keepers does that any more or less than any other religious group.
Silicon said:
Yes I know my vehemence is showing. Are my objections any less valid?
You can find a comment as sexist as you like. The fact is, they welcome men and bar women. They can do that, it's their right. But why don't they welcome women, or make a group for them? Why aren't women encouraged to start their own group?
I see Promise Keepers as another Alpha Course: capitulation through group mentality.
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Rage against the Machine broke up, all except the singer... joined up with Chris Cornell and formed Audioslave, creating some of the least inventive guitar solo's released by a major label.
Suezoled said:
Rage against the Machine broke up, all except the singer... joined up with Chris Cornell and formed Audioslave, creating some of the least inventive guitar solo's released by a major label.