Azrael 5
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Tomorrow he is going to post EVP's he has carried out ,contacting a dead NASA employee!!!
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Tomorrow he is going to post EVP's he has carried out ,contacting a dead NASA employee!!!
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Senex
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The professor moved the goal not just out of the stadium but into another time zone. That fellow on Youtube we watched just had a nice conversation with some spooks but I think that was just to keep himself from being lonely. I don't think it deserved a prize. I think the professor just quit. I didn't see that coming (but I bet the professor did because he is psychic).
RoboTimbo
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No progress in the Magic Cafe protocol negotiation thread but they're only up to page 6. TP is up to the part where RevieV recused herself so he'll have to bash her for a while. He seems to have left off Darat for now.
A couple of them have checked out the protocol thread here and some eyes are being opened. Questions are being asked. Derails by TP are being noted.
A couple of them have checked out the protocol thread here and some eyes are being opened. Questions are being asked. Derails by TP are being noted.
Azrael 5
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Since I took to reporting his posts everytime he lied about the JREF forum members reporting him to police,the thread has been locked.I think the Magic Cafe is done with that subject,so as he seemingly doesn't want to post on JREF forum I guess we're done too.
Senex
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Gosh darn it, we all know EVP's are out there but the only fellows who are willing to appoint a test find a need to bail out just before testing. It's enough to make you believe there really are no spooks to make EVP's.
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I find this response from TP on The Magic Cafe very telling:
Now, given that he originally intended to perform his test, what - 9 days ago, it would appear from his equivication on the equipment subject, that he did not even have any equipment 9 days ago, or simply refuses to name what he intended to use (all his posts re equipment have been "might use this", "still looking". "waiting for state of the art" etc.)
I am beginning to think that he never intended to put on a demonstration on October 31 this year, and had his excuses all lined up - even inventing some of his own that he knew from reading the Challenge rules - to ensure that this would never happen.
Of course, TP can prove me wrong in an instant, and with one post. TP, if you are reading this, what equipment did you purchase/build/beg/borrow or steal for the test you were going to perform on 31 October 2008? And what equipment did you use to originally establish your claimed supernatural ability?
Norm
Now, given that he originally intended to perform his test, what - 9 days ago, it would appear from his equivication on the equipment subject, that he did not even have any equipment 9 days ago, or simply refuses to name what he intended to use (all his posts re equipment have been "might use this", "still looking". "waiting for state of the art" etc.)
I am beginning to think that he never intended to put on a demonstration on October 31 this year, and had his excuses all lined up - even inventing some of his own that he knew from reading the Challenge rules - to ensure that this would never happen.
Of course, TP can prove me wrong in an instant, and with one post. TP, if you are reading this, what equipment did you purchase/build/beg/borrow or steal for the test you were going to perform on 31 October 2008? And what equipment did you use to originally establish your claimed supernatural ability?
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I think practically every concievable quesiton to TP has been asked on here in one thread or another,and we didn't get answers.I was looking forward to his posting of previous EVP experiements tomorrow as well.With the thread locked I assume that's not going to happen.
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Regardless of what TP may say to counter this, you are correct. It is precisely his intentions. All of it, and I mean ALL of it - was intended only to attempt discredit to others. He had and has no intention of winning, completing, writing, spending, building, testing, taping, convincing anyone of anything outside of his need to sell his story, gain notoriety and increase forum post counts for the sake of self-image.
You can point to no posts of his on any forum that indicates otherwise.
You can point to hundreds of posts from others that offered kindness and heartfelt assistance that was only met with HIS preconceived notions of what a skeptic is, and his inability to rise above his own level of understanding and insecurity. This is not said as a slam. It is my candid analysis of his statements and techniques mixed with his specified goals.
To put it another way, TP exists only in our responses.
After this post, I, for one, will no longer contribute to his crass and offensive approach to bringing about change and fame.
I believe without our part feeding him, he ceases to exist in his current form.
Azrael 5
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Well I think The Professor is pretty much finished regarding MDC.Any negative/unproven reference to him and the JREF is removed from Magic Cafe now,someone posted on here that Koenig doesn't want to post on here anymore either.
So his only outlet now is emailing Jeff Wagg directly...............or YouTube.
So his only outlet now is emailing Jeff Wagg directly...............or YouTube.
Senex
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I look at the MDC contestents as falling into three camps: The sincere ones who will fail because their delusion has no chance against a scientific test -- and the insincere ones who know darn well they will never be able to win a fair challenge but hope to create some benefit from media attention before quiting.
The professor fell into the latter camp and lost more dignity than would have been expected a month ago. He quit in a terriibly undignified manner. He kind of sucks. Does he have a defender? If not, we can all agree the professor sucks and move on.
Of course there is also the potential third camp we all wish would happen. Proof of god/afterlife/spirits/X-ray vision... I doubt anyone reading this will hold their breath this will turn out to be true.
The professor fell into the latter camp and lost more dignity than would have been expected a month ago. He quit in a terriibly undignified manner. He kind of sucks. Does he have a defender? If not, we can all agree the professor sucks and move on.
Of course there is also the potential third camp we all wish would happen. Proof of god/afterlife/spirits/X-ray vision... I doubt anyone reading this will hold their breath this will turn out to be true.
RoboTimbo
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A pity. A real pity. Good on us, though. We can still sleep nights. There were times when I almost felt sorry for him, his need for attention was so transparent. Senex, maybe he is closer related to the first lot in that they all have a need for something.
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Doubtful,but at least he cannot post lies and bullying comments anymore.Ihtink he has spent too much time with Jim Callahan.Whilst Jim knew he couldn't hack it in a discussion on here,TP thought he could;assumed he was smarter than the skeptics.
Senex
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Umm, Matt. What part of thoroughly discredited did you miss?
I believe he always knew he couldn't pass a test. He might have thought he could dodge agreeing to particular rules that would have made any noise on the tape ambiguous if rules were not part of the test. The JREF insists on rules and that made his efforts impossible. He complained and answered posts that had nothing to do with the posts that were related to questions that he couldn't answer truthfully without stating he was full of poop. He always knew he had no special abilities.
Personally, I don't think the professor falls in the first category. I do believe a woman currently posting in the "General Skepticism..." category is sincere. I doubt she will stick around much longer now that she is being asked questions that challenge assumptions she believes are true and wishes were never challenged. She will quit this site blaming insensitivity or something similar. She falls in the first category as truly believing in her power (but not enough to realize it isn't a power when unable to prove that power by passing a test). I believe she believes she has powers. I also believe she will fail any tests she s willing to take but she will continue to believe she has powers even after she fails testing. (It is very possible she will refuse to be tested -- if that happens I will say she might fall in the second camp and just wanted publicity.)
However, the professor always realized his impotency.
The part where he was actually thoroughly discredited by rigorous testing and not his own stupidity.
I have had many disagreements with Mr. Koenig (they litter this forum, in fact), and at no time did I doubt his sincerity that he believes he can do what he says he can. On many occasions I have had reason to doubt his mental capacity or willingness to reason, but neither of these discredit an individual or any claims he may make so thoroughly as a scientific rebuttal. I still hold out hope this test will occur, slim though I admit this hope may be.
~ Matt
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Senex
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Mr. Koenig is disagreeable to testing. He can only be discredited by the latter.
You're linking Mr. Koenig to his claimed abilities and passing one off as the other.
Thus far I confess to thinking Mr. Koenig himself to be a deluded fool, but his claim of EVP does seem to be based upon genuine belief. You do not combat genuine belief by calling someone stupid.
~ Matt
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Senex
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You're linking Mr. Koenig's never even attempted to prove claimed abilities with something that should be further considered.
That seems foolish today given the time and effort many people have given to let him have his moment in the sun (or at midnight in the devil's chair).