The "Process" of John Edward

[voidx]

Posted by neofight:
Something like "Steve, Stephanie or Stan", would not. That should only be considered as one "S" name. Anything else would skew the count in such a way as to render it misleading, and therefore useless.

Also to clarify this example would be considered one S "letter" under Thanz' explanation. If we were counting names they would certainly be 3 seperate guess', and not phonetically very similiar either. And yes I know it was just an example, but lets not get confused. To count this as 1 S "name" would skew just as badly as counting it as 3 S "first letters". How about this for a suggestion. Would it be possible to count "letter" guess' seperately from "name" guess'? The problem here is that he often uses both within the same reading. He often starts with a letter connection and then moves on to some narrowing techniques with specific names starting with that letter. I just think if you count them and analyze them seperately, that would eliminate the problem of how they should be counted if you only use one category for all.

 

[BillHoyt]

This is also complete hearsay. We only have John's word to verify this phonetic difficulty. It has not been clarified what he "hears" period. Is it in his own voice? Does he hear it in the spirits voice? Do they have accents? Does he "hear" different languages? If he does do they get translated into english, or some other language he understands? If so are the translated voices his? Or the spirits? All these above questions would go towards understanding what possible phonetic problems JE might experience with his clairaudience. Do we have a detailed description of how and what he hears that covers all our bases here? I don't think you can state anything "obviously" when it comes to the as of yet non proven ability of clairaudience, sorry.

One of the problems here is the transcripts make a complete mockery of these claims. Certain parties here therefore ignore the transcripts.

Wait... something's coming through. It sounds like a spice name. Tamarind? Basil? Oregano? Something that sounds like that.

ROTFLMAO!

 

[Clancie]

Posted by BillHoyt

Explain these, please. Phonetically How does one "hear" a map name? How does one "hear" a spice name?

For starters, Bill, JE doesn't say he hears a spice name.

Next...you do understand how he says he gets the information, right? That not all of it comes to him clairaudiently. The spice name is very consistent with that part of the process, Bill.

 

[BillHoyt]

Chervil?

 

[voidx]

Posted by BillHoyt:
Explain these, please. Phonetically How does one "hear" a map name? How does one "hear" a spice name?

Heheh ahhhh he wouldn't "hear" this one. He'd "see" or "feel" it. The magically 3 step catch all that is clairaudience/voyance/sentience covers all my friend . Consistency be damned.

 

[BillHoyt]

For starters, Bill, JE doesn't say he hears a spice name.

Next...you do understand how he says he gets the information, right? That not all of it comes to him clairaudiently. The spice name is very consistent with that part of the process, Bill. [/B]

Are you reading or doing your nails? Pay attention, you might learn something. Here is what was just said by neoblight:

"admittedly does sometimes have a problem differentiating these sorts of names when he hears them. Since he "hears" these names clairaudiently, phonetics obviously would be a factor here"

This was neoblight's claim, Clownie.

 

[BillHoyt]

Heheh ahhhh he wouldn't "hear" this one. He'd "see" or "feel" it. The magically 3 step catch all that is clairaudience/voyance/sentience covers all my friend . Consistency be damned.

Isn't it a riot? These woos haven't a clue.

No, no, it isn't Chervil. Much longer sounding, but like Chervil. Ohh, its "Chinese Five Spice?"

My mother cooks with Chinese Five Spice!

Bravo! Isn't that amazing folks. Larry King Live will be right back, after JE takes the potato out of his ears...

 

[voidx]

"Somebody has a name like would be off of a map or something. Like they would be named for a location. Like they called the person, you know, New York or they called the person, Brooklyn or they called the person, you know, Boston."

The other problem with this one is that it is anything but consistent. He "see's" things in his own frame of reference, so if its bloody New York, then why isn't it clear? And ok Brooklyn is close to New York in meaning so perhaps we can give him getting confused there....but Boston? How can people not admit he's fishing for information here, how is Boston similiar to New York and Brooklyn....ahhhh yes, perhaps there's a connection in his own frame of reference, utter convinience.

Posted by BillHoyt:
Are you reading or doing your nails? Pay attention, you might learn something. Here is what was just said by neoblight:

"admittedly does sometimes have a problem differentiating these sorts of names when he hears them. Since he "hears" these names clairaudiently, phonetics obviously would be a factor here"

This was neoblight's claim, Clownie.

I see where you might be getting confused here Bill. Different mediums, as the explanation goes, have differring strengths with each of the three clair abilitilies, being audience/voyance/sentience or hear/see/feel. So sometimes they hear letters, or names, sometimes they visualize them, or sometimes they are used within his own frame of reference, like a memory of a girl he knew named John/Jane/Joey . These three abilities can be interchanged at will, and hence my statement above, when something doesn't make sense at all like you're above example any of the three abilities can be claimed responsible, whether or not that is the medium in questions strongest of the three or not. Neofight was making reference to how he "hears" when he in fact does "hear". You get a whole other explanation for how he "see's" and "feels". So to be clear Neo is not making the claim that JE only "hears".

 

[Thanz]

Ah, Mr. Hoyt. You are here and reading this thread.

We obviously have a fundamental disagreement on counting. I need to understand why you think we should take the sitters responses into account when counting JE's guesses. Why does it matter? Instead of just yelling at me that I don't understand your points, perhaps you could explain it.

 

[Clancie]

Bill,

You're doing great with the insults. How's the count of all transcripts and the high frequency letters going?

There's no indication he was getting the spice name phonetically. He often receives pictures and symbols, even with names, rather than having everything spelled out (as you seem to assume it is).

 

[BillHoyt]

Ah, Mr. Hoyt. You are here and reading this thread.

We obviously have a fundamental disagreement on counting. I need to understand why you think we should take the sitters responses into account when counting JE's guesses. Why does it matter? Instead of just yelling at me that I don't understand your points, perhaps you could explain it.

Who said the sitter's responses are being taken into account? Is English not your native language? Re-read my posts about this, and quit wasting my time.

 

[BillHoyt]

Bill,

You're doing great with the insults. How's the count of all transcripts and the high frequency letters going?

There's no indication he was getting the spice name phonetically. He often receives pictures and symbols, even with names, rather than having everything spelled out (as you seem to assume it is).

Goody. Another nitwit thesis. What "symbol" could he have seen that covers the map name example? How about the picture of "salty"? Or "pepper" Or "cinnamon?" Explain these in detail.

 

[voidx]

Posted by Thanz:
I need to understand why you think we should take the sitters responses into account when counting JE's guesses.

The only time this would matter is if the sitter gave some sort of clue without giving JE the whole name, and then he made another, refined guess at a name. But then this would be counted anyway. That and we have no way of seeing visual clues that might lead JE to refine a name or first letter guess. But still, it wouldn't matter that much, you could still count all the guess'.

Posted by BillHoyt:
Who said the sitter's responses are being taken into account?

So it's agreed, sitter responses do not affect the count of guess' and shouldn't be taken into account. Let's move on, next point of contention?

 

[Thanz]

Who said the sitter's responses are being taken into account? Is English not your native language? Re-read my posts about this, and quit wasting my time.

Where does the idea that "Sh" is a family name come from? It comes from the sitter. How is that not taking the sitter's response into account? In order for JE to have accepted it, he had to get the feedback. I am saying that neither the feedback nor the acceptance of JE are relevant. Why do you tihnk they are? Or at least, why do you think JE's acceptance of a hit is relevant?

If she had said nothing, would you have counted it? If she had said "NO" would you have counted it? Did you count it at all (as a family name or otherwise)? On what basis?

I will answer my own questions in advance - I count it as one "S" guess, regardless of what the sitter says or doesn't say, or how JE counts it as a 'hit'. It was not qualified upfront by JE as a family name, therefore we must count it. If he had qualified it as a family name, I would not include it at all - as we are studying forenames, not surnames.

 

[Thanz]

Here is a snippet from one of the readings. I am interested to know how people score it for guesses.

EDWARD: Where is -- sorry -- where does the K-name like Karen come up?
CALLER: I don't know. EDWARD: Yes, you do. There is a C or a K connection directly to you or to this family, from what they are telling me. So it either means it's who they are -- put your sister on hold and think about your family. There is some type of C or K connection and they're also telling me to tell you 11, which either means that the 11th month November or the 11th of a month has some type of significance. And why are they showing me...

 

[BillHoyt]

Anybody got an animated smiley with a bird flying WAY over head?

 

[Thanz]

Anybody got an animated smiley with a bird flying WAY over head?

Did the bird crap on you when he went over your head?

Are you even able to answer a direct question? You have been avoiding them all over the place.

You said that you would address my points once I explained the difference between hypothesis and experimental method. I have done this. You still avoid simple direct questions. Is it because you know that you are incorrect, but not mature enough to admit a mistake?

 

[BillHoyt]

Did the bird crap on you when he went over your head?

Are you even able to answer a direct question? You have been avoiding them all over the place.

You said that you would address my points once I explained the difference between hypothesis and experimental method. I have done this. You still avoid simple direct questions. Is it because you know that you are incorrect, but not mature enough to admit a mistake?

Thanz,

I have answered everything. You continue to fail to understand the answers. It is useless to continue with you because you twist my answers into your answers or no answers at all.

I have said before the sitters responses don't matter for the counting. I have repeated it. I have said before that JE's acceptance of those responses also does not matter for the counting. I have repeated that. I have also clearly said that JE's acceptance of certain responses matters greatly to your 1 guess - 1 person assumption. It refutes it.

 

[Lurker]

Goody. Another nitwit thesis. What "symbol" could he have seen that covers the map name example? How about the picture of "salty"? Or "pepper" Or "cinnamon?" Explain these in detail.

Well, in "Blues Clues" there are characters; Mr. Pepper, Mrs. Salt and they have two children, Cinnamon and Paprika. Maybe John Edward is getting these characters in his visions? Is John Edward a big fan of "Blues Clues"?

Lurker

 

[voidx]

Here is a snippet from one of the readings. I am interested to know how people score it for guesses.

EDWARD: Where is -- sorry -- where does the K-name like Karen come up?
CALLER: I don't know. EDWARD: Yes, you do. There is a C or a K connection directly to you or to this family, from what they are telling me. So it either means it's who they are -- put your sister on hold and think about your family. There is some type of C or K connection and they're also telling me to tell you 11, which either means that the 11th month November or the 11th of a month has some type of significance. And why are they showing me...

I would score it like this.

1 K letter guess
1 Karen name guess
1 C letter guess
1 11 number guess
1 narrowing guess of the 11th month novemeber
1 narrowing guess of the 11th day of any month
1 obvious mark for fishing for information