The Post-911 Bush/Cheney Commission Interview Summary Declassified

[paloalto]

In the the interview, Bush says he was told that the attacks would take place overseas. We now know that was a complete and total lie.

CIA warnings on an attack inside the US.

https://www.businessinsider.com/911...d-bush-cheney-attacks-bin-laden-qaeda-2022-11

https://www.politico.eu/article/attacks-will-be-spectacular-cia-war-on-terror-bush-bin-laden/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-morell-911-cia-afghanistan-intelligence-matters/

The CIA and FBI HQ knew Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside the US to take part in an al Qaeda terrorist attack on August 22, 2001. and knew these attacks would cause mass casualties. See DE 939 entered into the Moussaoui trial.

According to the 9/11 Commission Report, the CIA was notified on June 12, 2001, that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed had recruited a number of al Qaeda terrorists in the summer of 2001, that he was sending into the US to link up with al Qaeda terrorists already inside of the US, to carry out a massive al Qaeda terrorist attack, an attack that the CIA and FBI HQ had been warned about since April 2001.

The CIA knew that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed had helped finance the original attack on the World Trade Center Towers in 1993. The CIA had his Bojinka plot and knew he had been at the Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting.
KSM stayed right at the condominium, with Mihdhar and Hazmi, where the Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting had taken place, according to the Guantanamo “Charge Sheet for Hambali.” This charge sheet was secretly obtained from Guantanamo by Wikileaks and given to the New York Times.
The New York Times has never explained why they did not print the information in this Charge Sheet.

Philippine intelligence gave the CIA the details of the Bojinka plot when Abdel Hakim Murad gave them these plans. Philippine intelligence uncovered this plot after the apartment in the Philippines caught fire where Ramzi Yousef was building bombs with Murad and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. This plan had two parts. The first part of this plot was to blow up aircraft going to the US. The second part was to hijack multiple large aircraft in the US and fly these into iconic buildings in the US, including the World Trade Center Towers, the Pentagon, and CIA Headquarters. [9/11 Commission report].

The link I posted from Business Insider mentions a visit by Tenet to Bush in Crawford on August 17, 2001. Actually, this photo was from Tenet's visit to Crawford on August 24, 2001. This visit and photo was described in a White House press release on August 25, 2001. At the time of this visit, Tenet and the CIA had been told two days earlier, on August 22, 2001, that al Qaeda terrorists Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside the US to take part in a massive al Qaeda terrorist attack the CIA had been warned about since April 2001, an attack that would kill large numbers of Americans.

On August 23, 2001, one day after Tenet was told about Mihdhar and Hazmi, he was told Minneapolis FBI had the INS had arrested Zacarias Moussaoui, who the FBI thought was a terrorist trying to get training on a Boeing 747, to fly this type of plane into the WTC towers. So what exactly did Tenet tell Bush at that August 24, 2001, meeting and at the seven other meetings he had with the President before the attacks on 9/11?

 

[paloalto]

Yup.

Btw Axxman: in response to your repeated questions about what Sandy Berger stole/tried to steal from the National Archives, it was a classified NSC report assessing the US government’s (read: the Clinton administration’s) response to Al-Qaeda’s millennium plots, i.e. the plots to blow up Los Angeles International Airport and a bunch of targets in Amman, Jordan.

And the author of that report? Richard Clarke. Apparently the Bush NSC aren’t the only people for whom he had damning words, given Berger’s bizarre actions at the NA. Not hard to read between the lines.

I’ll try to find where I read all of this.

This theft was just prior to Berger's testimony to the 9/11 Commission on what he knew before the attacks on 9/11. What Berger stole was the real-time reports on the Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting sent by the Malaysian CIA Station to Director of the CIA George Tenet, Director of the FBI Louis Freeh, and Chairman of the NSC Sandy Berger. This is the meeting where the attack on the USS Cole and 9/11 were planned.

It has never been explained why Freeh and Berger never gave this information to the FBI criminal agents on the Cole bombing. FBI Agent Ali Soufan asked Freeh in November 2000 if he would make an official request from George Tenet for any information the CIA had on any meeting in Kuala Lumpur in January 2000 or Walid bin Attash, thought by the FBI to be the mastermind of the Cole bombing. Even though Freeh had been given much information on the meeting by Tenet, including the fact that Nawaf, Khalid with his last name, al Mihdar, attended that meeting, Freeh told Soufan that the CIA had no information on any al Qaeda planning meeting in January 2000. Freeh not only had criminally sabotaged the FBI criminal Cole bombing investigation but had withheld information that these investigators could have used to prevent the attacks on 9/11. (See DOJ IG Report, 9/11 Commission report)

But what is even worse is the fact that the CIA and FBI HQ knew on August 22, 2000, that Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside the US to take part in a massive al Qaeda terrorist attack that would murder large numbers of Americans and also knew these terrorists had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing at the Kuala Lumpur meeting. Both the CIA and FBI HQ knew that thousands of Americans would be killed if they did not give the information that Mihdhar and Hazmi had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing to the FBI Cole bombing investigators since they would not have the probable cause to start a criminal investigation for these terrorists.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

 

[Oystein]

...
On August 23, 2001, one day after Tenet was told about Mihdhar and Hazmi, he was told Minneapolis FBI had the INS had arrested Zacarias Moussaoui, who the FBI thought was a terrorist trying to get training on a Boeing 747, to fly this type of plane into the WTC towers. So what exactly did Tenet tell Bush at that August 24, 2001, meeting and at the seven other meetings he had with the President before the attacks on 9/11?

I don't know, and neither do you.
But that's beside the point.

The point is that you claim it is entirely new and shocking to you that Bush said in his 2004 interview with the Commissioners that, according to what he had heard from Tenet, the CIA etc, the Al Qaeda threat was solely foreign.
But that line of argument - that there existed no actionable domestic threat - has been the administration's excuse from the very beginning, it has been Condoleezza Rice's talking pojnt, and never has Bush acknowledged a domestic threat, while of course he has always acknowledged that AQ operared abroad.

So even if you, mysteriously, were not aware that Bush claimed no awareness of an actionable domestic threat, it is what I have always gleaned from the sum total of Bush's and his administration's words, policies and actions post 9/11. It's not new. It's what I fully expected to find in the interview.

By the way:

...the FBI thought [that Zacarias Moussaoui] was a terrorist trying to get training on a Boeing 747, to fly this type of plane into the WTC towers...

Why do you lie?

 

[Cosmic Yak]

By the way:


Why do you lie?

I imagine it's because paloalto thinks we've forgotten the last few times he(?) posted the same claims, and the debunking that followed.

 

[paloalto]

I don't know, and neither do you.
But that's beside the point.

The point is that you claim it is entirely new and shocking to you that Bush said in his 2004 interview with the Commissioners that, according to what he had heard from Tenet, the CIA etc, the Al Qaeda threat was solely foreign.
But that line of argument - that there existed no actionable domestic threat - has been the administration's excuse from the very beginning, it has been Condoleezza Rice's talking pojnt, and never has Bush acknowledged a domestic threat, while of course he has always acknowledged that AQ operared abroad.

So even if you, mysteriously, were not aware that Bush claimed no awareness of an actionable domestic threat, it is what I have always gleaned from the sum total of Bush's and his administration's words, policies and actions post 9/11. It's not new. It's what I fully expected to find in the interview.



Originally Posted by paloalto View Post
...the FBI thought [that Zacarias Moussaoui] was a terrorist trying to get training on a Boeing 747, to fly this type of plane into the WTC towers...


Why do you lie?

13.

It looks like you have an issue with reading comprehension.

My post was, "I, nor anyone else, had any idea with documented proof, "from the 9/11 Commission interview," what Bush claimed the CIA had told him." This interview is the first I or anyone else knew what had actually been documented by the 9/11 Commission in their interview of the president on what Bush claimed he had been told by the CIA. No one knew what was in this interview by the 9/11 Commission on what Bush claimed he was told about these terrorist attacks until this interview was released. Until the 9/11 Commission released this interview 20 years after it was made, no one could prove, with actual documentation, what the president would claim he had been told by Tenet about the upcoming al Qaeda terrorist attacks.


By the way:

Originally Posted by paloalto View Post
...the FBI thought [that Zacarias Moussaoui] was a terrorist trying to get training on a Boeing 747, to fly this type of plane into the WTC towers...

Your post: Why do you lie?

Dispute between Minneapolis and Martin
On Monday, August 27, in a telephone call between Martin arid Gary, the tension surfaced.

According to Gary's notes of the conversation, Martin told them that "what you have done is couched it in such a way that people get spun up." Gary told the OIG that after Martin made this statement, Gary said "good" and then stated that Minneapolis was trying to keep Moussaoui from crashing an airplane into the World Trade Center. Gary's notes of the conversation indicate that Gary stated, "We want to make sure he doesn't get control of an airplane and crash it into the [World Trade Center] or something like that."
(See page 153 DOJ IG report)

Your comment was, "Why do you lie?" Why do you make such a stupid statement that you can not back up with facts? My information is backed up by the DOJ IG report, see page 153.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

What is this DOJ IG report paloalto is referencing?
I can find a DOJ OIG report, but page 153 is about Clinton's attempts to deal with Bin Laden.
What is this report? Anyone know?

 

[paloalto]

What is this DOJ IG report paloalto is referencing?
I can find a DOJ OIG report, but page 153 is about Clinton's attempts to deal with Bin Laden.
What is this report? Anyone know?

Called "A Review of the FBI's Handling of Intelligence Information Related to the September 11 Attacks (November 2004)"

How would you not have known about this report? This is one of the most important reports on 9/11, in spite of the fact that the DOJ IG had criminally obfuscated it. But it was easy to see exactly where the DOJ IG edited the report to cover up the criminal actions that had allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place. I will list a number of these later.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Called "A Review of the FBI's Handling of Intelligence Information Related to the September 11 Attacks (November 2004)"

How would you not have known about this report? This is one of the most important reports on 9/11, in spite of the fact that the DOJ IG had criminally obfuscated it. But it was easy to see exactly where the DOJ IG edited the report to cover up the criminal actions that had allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place. I will list a number of these later.

The page you have quoted from (153) has been redacted. How are you aware of its contents?

 

[bknight]

13.

It looks like you have an issue with reading comprehension.

My post was, "I, nor anyone else, had any idea with documented proof, "from the 9/11 Commission interview," what Bush claimed the CIA had told him." This interview is the first I or anyone else knew what had actually been documented by the 9/11 Commission in their interview of the president on what Bush claimed he had been told by the CIA. No one knew what was in this interview by the 9/11 Commission on what Bush claimed he was told about these terrorist attacks until this interview was released. Until the 9/11 Commission released this interview 20 years after it was made, no one could prove, with actual documentation, what the president would claim he had been told by Tenet about the upcoming al Qaeda terrorist attacks.


By the way:

Originally Posted by paloalto View Post
...the FBI thought [that Zacarias Moussaoui] was a terrorist trying to get training on a Boeing 747, to fly this type of plane into the WTC towers...

Your post: Why do you lie?

Dispute between Minneapolis and Martin
On Monday, August 27, in a telephone call between Martin arid Gary, the tension surfaced.

According to Gary's notes of the conversation, Martin told them that "what you have done is couched it in such a way that people get spun up." Gary told the OIG that after Martin made this statement, Gary said "good" and then stated that Minneapolis was trying to keep Moussaoui from crashing an airplane into the World Trade Center. Gary's notes of the conversation indicate that Gary stated, "We want to make sure he doesn't get control of an airplane and crash it into the [World Trade Center] or something like that."
(See page 153 DOJ IG report)

Your comment was, "Why do you lie?" Why do you make such a stupid statement that you can not back up with facts? My information is backed up by the DOJ IG report, see page 153.

Off Target and not within the scope of this discussion. If you want to have a thread concerning Clinton, start one.

 

[paloalto]

The page you have quoted from (153) has been redacted. How are you aware of its contents?

The version of the report you obtained was released in November 2004 redacted, the unredacted report was released in June 2006 two years later. Get the unredacted report. The URL is listed below. The report has been on the internet for almost 18 years.

https://www.law.uh.edu/faculty/eber...InformationRelatedtotheSeptember11Attacks.pdf

But there are several issues with this report, first of which it only had pseudonyms for the people described in this report. You have to covert these to their real names to even bring to understand what is in this report.

Also several areas of this report were deliberately obfuscated by the DOJ IG making it nearly impossible to understand why the CIA and FBI HQ had allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place. Other information on 9/11 is available that can be used to fix the DOJ IG report. I can list these in a further post. It took several years using these other information to finally get an accurate picture of what had taken place at the CIA and FBI HQ prior to 9/11. The ultimate results were to answer the question as posed by Christiane Amanpour to Lawrence Wright in an interview in 2019.

Christiane Amanpour: Lawrence you are the most knowledge author on 9/11 and the al Qaeda terrorists. We know 3000 people were murdered because the CIA did not give the information they had to the FBI. Can you tell us why?

Lawrence Wright: I have no idea why and I do not know anyone in the US outside of the CIA who knows why they allowed the al Qaeda terrorists to murder all of these people, (when they had more than enough information to have prevented these attack on 9/11).

The information that Mihdhar an Hazmi had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing was finally given to the FBI Cole bombing investigators on September 13, 2 days and 3000 murders late, the very information that would have prevented FBI HQ from shutting down their their criminal investigation of Mihdhar an Hazmi. The FBI Cole bombing investigators wanted to find Mihdhar and Hazmi before they had time to participate in an al Qaeda terrorist attack. When FBI HQ shut down their investigation, FBI Special Agent Steve Bongardt told the FBI HQ agent, Dina Corsi, who was shutting down his investigation, that people will die. Corsi told Bongardt, "I don't know what to tell you. I don't know how many other ways I can tell this to you. These are the rules." (see DOJ IG Report, p.308). Clearly following the rules were more important than preventing the murder of thousands of people.

The FBI HQ agents and managers who shut down the FBI Cole bombing investigators had all of the same information the CIA had. No one to today has been able to answer Christiane Amanpour's question, why did the CIA and FBI HQ allow the terrorists to murder all of these people. NO ONE!

 

[paloalto]

Off Target and not within the scope of this discussion. If you want to have a thread concerning Clinton, start one.

Pardon me, but I do not see Clinton mentioned in my post, do what am I missing?

 

[Cosmic Yak]

The version of the report you obtained was released in November 2004 redacted, the unredacted report was released in June 2006 two years later. Get the unredacted report. The URL is listed below. The report has been on the internet for almost 18 years.

https://www.law.uh.edu/faculty/eber...InformationRelatedtotheSeptember11Attacks.pdf

The report you link to skips from p104 to p181. Still no page 153.
Did you check this before you posted it?
Do you have a link to the report that contains the page you are talking about, page 153?

 

[paloalto]

The report you link to skips from p104 to p181. Still no page 153.
Did you check this before you posted it?
Do you have a link to the report that contains the page you are talking about, page 153?

Here is page 153 from the unredacted report I used:

13. Dispute between Minneapolis and Martin
Around this time, Gary and Henry were becoming increasingly frustrated with the advice from Martin that they lacked sufficient information linking Moussaoui to a foreign power. On Monday, August 27, in a telephone call between Martin arid Gary, the tension surfaced.
According to Gary's notes of the conversation, Martin told them that "what you have done is couched it in such a way that people get spun up." Gary told the OIG that after Martin made this statement, Gary said "good" and then stated that Minneapolis was trying to keep Moussaoui from crashing an airplane into the World Trade Center. Gary's notes of the conversation indicate that Gary stated, "We want to make sure he doesn't get control of an airplane and crash it into the [World Trade Center] or something like that." According to Gary's notes, Martin responded by stating that Minneapolis did not have the evidence to support that Moussaoui was a terrorist. Gary's notes indicate that Martin also stated, "You have a guy interested in this type of aircraft. That is it."
Martin told the OIG that he did not recall making any statement about Minneapolis getting "spun up" about the Moussaoui investigation. When asked whether he spoke with Minneapolis about whether they were overreacting, Martin stated that he "could have." Martin told the OIG that he
153


No, I did not check this copy. I was using my own copy that I had converted to a Word doc to make it easy to search for keywords and replace the pseudonyms with the real names. Sorry about that, this report is over 400 pages and I did not look through every page to make sure it was complete. I will look for a more complete copy; they are all over the internet. I had downloaded my copy 18 years ago.


Here is a URL for a good DOJ IG report. It only took 2 minutes on the internet to find this. I checked this one and it seems to be complete.

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/...nt-justice-review-fbi-s-handling-intelligence

This DOJ IG report should be complete.

 

[bknight]

Pardon me, but I do not see Clinton mentioned in my post, do what am I missing?

I quoted the wrong post.
it was

What is this DOJ IG report paloalto is referencing?
I can find a DOJ OIG report, but page 153 is about Clinton's attempts to deal with Bin Laden.
What is this report? Anyone know?

referring to the page you referred.
But I do see that Cosmic Yak made the comments.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Here is page 153 from the unredacted report I used:

13. Dispute between Minneapolis and Martin
Around this time, Gary and Henry were becoming increasingly frustrated with the advice from Martin that they lacked sufficient information linking Moussaoui to a foreign power. On Monday, August 27, in a telephone call between Martin arid Gary, the tension surfaced.
According to Gary's notes of the conversation, Martin told them that "what you have done is couched it in such a way that people get spun up." Gary told the OIG that after Martin made this statement, Gary said "good" and then stated that Minneapolis was trying to keep Moussaoui from crashing an airplane into the World Trade Center. Gary's notes of the conversation indicate that Gary stated, "We want to make sure he doesn't get control of an airplane and crash it into the [World Trade Center] or something like that." According to Gary's notes, Martin responded by stating that Minneapolis did not have the evidence to support that Moussaoui was a terrorist. Gary's notes indicate that Martin also stated, "You have a guy interested in this type of aircraft. That is it."
Martin told the OIG that he did not recall making any statement about Minneapolis getting "spun up" about the Moussaoui investigation. When asked whether he spoke with Minneapolis about whether they were overreacting, Martin stated that he "could have." Martin told the OIG that he
153


No, I did not check this copy. I was using my own copy that I had converted to a Word doc to make it easy to search for keywords and replace the pseudonyms with the real names. Sorry about that, this report is over 400 pages and I did not look through every page to make sure it was complete. I will look for a more complete copy; they are all over the internet. I had downloaded my copy 18 years ago.


Here is a URL for a good DOJ IG report. It only took 2 minutes on the internet to find this. I checked this one and it seems to be complete.

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/...nt-justice-review-fbi-s-handling-intelligence

This DOJ IG report should be complete.

This report is complete- thanks.
However, you have snipped a rather important part, just after you end your quote:

Martin told the OIG that he never heard Gary make a statement that he thought that Moussaoui was going to hijack an airplane and crash it into the World Trade Center. He said that the first time that he heard that statement was in October 2001 at a meeting in FBI Headquarters involving several Minneapolis agents and FBI Headquarters employees to discuss the Moussaoui investigation. He said that during the meeting Gary made a reference to having made this statement to Martin some time in August 2001, but that Martin had never before heard Gary make the statement.

Why did you omit this part? Seems quite important to me.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

paloalto:
Can you explain why the conclusions of this report (p376) do not support your claim that the FBI and the CIA intentionally withheld information about the planned attacks, so these attacks could take place unhindered?

 

[bknight]

This report is complete- thanks.
However, you have snipped a rather important part, just after you end your quote:


Why did you omit this part? Seems quite important to me.

I read that also, and of course it seems to destroy his belief.

 

[paloalto]

paloalto:
Can you explain why the conclusions of this report (p376) do not support your claim that the FBI and the CIA intentionally withheld information about the planned attacks, so these attacks could take place unhindered?

I read that also, and of course it seems to destroy his belief.

Only if you are unaware of what else is in this DOJ IG report. Have you read this whole report, and has anyone on this forum ever read this whole report?

Your post

Quote:
Martin told the OIG that he never heard Gary make a statement that he thought that Moussaoui was going to hijack an airplane and crash it into the World Trade Center. He said that the first time that he heard that statement was in October 2001 at a meeting in FBI Headquarters involving several Minneapolis agents and FBI Headquarters employees to discuss the Moussaoui investigation. He said that during the meeting Gary made a reference to having made this statement to Martin some time in August 2001, but that Martin had never before heard Gary make the statement.
Why did you omit this part? Seems quite important to me.

DOJ IG P. 178

After the first airplane hit, Martin tried to call Minneapolis ASAC Charles but reached Rowley instead. According to Rowley, she told Martin that it was essential to get a criminal search warrant for Moussaoui's belongings. Rowley said that Martin instructed her that Minneapolis should not take any action without FBI Headquarters approval because it could have an impact on matters of which she was not aware. In her May 20, 2002, letter to the FBI Director, Rowley wrote that in this conversation with Martin she had said "in light of what just happened in New York, it would have to be the 'hugest coincidence' at this point if Moussaoui was not involved with the terrorists."

Rowley wrote that Martin replied "something to the effect that I had used the right term 'coincidence' and that this was probably all just a coincidence." Rowley told the OIG that she agreed to follow Martin's directive not to immediately seek a criminal warrant, and she was told that FBI Headquarters would call her back.

Martin told the OIG that he recalled that there was a lot of confusion when he spoke to Rowley. Martin said that he did not recall making the statement about a coincidence to Rowley. He explained to the OIG that he did not feel comfortable giving legal advice about seeking a criminal warrant, so he went to the NSLU attorney who we call Tim, who advised that the Minneapolis FBI should seek the criminal search warrant.

This is incredible. Martin, aka Michael Maltbie, told Rowley that even after the WTC towers had been attacked by aircraft, he was not going to recommend Rowley get a criminal warrant for Moussaoui's possessions. Small wonder he can't remember that his actions had allowed the al Qaeda terrorists to murder approximately 3000 people.

DOJ IG report, p. 178
While Rowley was waiting for a return call from FBI Headquarters, Minneapolis ASAC Charles was on the telephone with Don. Because Acting SAC Roy was out of the office, Charles was responsible for the Minneapolis office and had called FBI Headquarters immediately after the first airplane hit the World Trade Center. Charles had reached Don and asked him for permission to seek a criminal search warrant for Moussaoui's belongings. According to Charles, Don responded that he still did not believe that there was enough evidence to support a criminal search warrant. Charles stated that, during the course of this conversation the Pentagon was hit by another hijacked airplane, and that Don then told Charles to go to the USAO for a criminal warrant.

Don confirmed that he spoke to Charles on the morning of September 11. He asserted that he immediately told Charles that the Minneapolis FBI could
seek a criminal warrant.

DOJ IG Report, p. 189

From our review, early on the RFU appears to have discounted the concerns of the Minneapolis FBI about Moussaoui. Don and Martin believed that Minneapolis was overreacting and couching facts in an "inflammatory" way to get people "spun up" about someone who was only "suspected" of being a terrorist. The RFU downplayed and undersold the field office's concerns about Moussaoui, even writing "that there is no indication that either [Moussaoui or Al-Attas] had plans for nefarious activity."

Let's see. Moussaoui's flight instructor for his Boeing 747 training told the FBI that they were sure he was a terrorist trying to take flight training to hijack this type of aircraft. Minneapolis FBI criminal agents, after interviewing Moussaoui, also thought he was a terrorist who was getting Boeing 747 training without even having a private pilot's license to get control of an airplane to crash it into the [World Trade Center]. Al-Attas even told the FBI that Moussaoui was an Islamic extremist who told him he could easily get 4-inch knives onto a commercial airplane.

DOJ IG Report, p. 189
In response to the Minneapolis FBI's concern that it wanted "to make sure Moussaoui doesn't get control of an airplane to crash it into the [World Trade Center] or something like that," Martin dismissed this possibility, stating "You have a guy interested in this type of aircraft. That is it." As we discuss below, we believe that the RFU did not fully consider with an open mind the evidence against Moussaoui and examine in a collaborative fashion with Minneapolis how to best pursue its investigation. Rather, it quickly and inappropriately dismissed Minneapolis' information as incomplete and its concerns as fair-fetched.

This testimony is right in the DOJ IG report. This pretty much proves Martin, aka Michael Maltbie, had been told Moussaoui might hijack an airplane and crash it into the WTC towers.

The post you refer to is typical of the FBI HQ agents after the attacks on 9/11. They all had amnesia. This also shows that the DOJ IG would put erroneous testimony in this report even when they knew it was false. This report largely details the testimony of the agents and managers who had deliberately allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place.

The following is in this report. Didn't you read the whole report? It is only a little over 400 words long.

DOJ IG report 179

Moussaoui's belongings did not reveal anything that specifically provided a warning or an indication of an imminent terrorist attack. There were no plans, correspondence, or names or addresses in his computer or notebooks that linked him directly to the September 11 terrorist attacks. However, information was obtained in the search that, through further traces, was used by the government to indict Moussaoui for conspiring in the September 11 terrorist plot.

However, at the Moussaoui trial, just before the release of the unredacted DOJ IG report, FBI SA Harry Samit, lead investigator on this investigation, said once they got the warrant and got into Moussaoui’s duffel bag, they found the receipt from Ramzi bin al-Shehab to Moussaoui, traced that back to his apartment at 54 Marienstrasse, and his three prior roommates, Mohammed Atta, Marwan Al Shehhi, and Ziad Jarrah, and then to the rest of the terrorists in a few days. This renders this whole report a complete fraud. There is no way the DOJ IG Glenn Fine did not know who the lead investigator was on the Moussaoui investigation and could not have asked him about his search of the duffel bag.

Let me repeat, this renders the whole FBI IG report a a complete fraud.

Does this render the DOJ IG report worthless? Absolutely not. Even though the accounts in this report have been edited by the DOJ IG to cover up the criminal malfeasance by the FBI HQ and the CIA that had allowed the al Qaeda terrorists to carry out the attacks on 9/11, it is easy to see exactly where, in most cases, this report had been obfuscated. This report is extremely valuable to show exactly how the DOJ IG had obfuscated the information that was known by the FBI HQ and CIA to cover up their criminal action to allow the al Qaeda terrorists to carry out the attacks on 9/11. This report is mainly testimony from the very people at the FBI HQ and the CIA who had allowed the al Qaeda terrorists to carry out the attacks on 9/11. It details their lies and false testimony and, in the case of this testimonial, their strange case of amnesia. Everything in this report must be re-confirmed as true only if it is backed up with documentation now publicly available from other sources.

On August 23, 2001, Tenet was informed that Minneapolis FBI had the INS arrest Zacarias Moussaoui who the FBI thought was a terrorist trying to learn how to fly a Boeing 747 in order to fly this type of plane into the WTC towers. Minneapolis FBI was asking the CIA and Tenet for help on order to get a FISA warrant for Moussaoui's possessions including his duffle bag. Tenet already knew on August 22, 2001, that Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside the US, to take part a massive al Qaeda that would cause massive casualties, yet he and the CIA completely refuse to give any help at all, refusing to even give the FBI criminal investigators the information they already had on Mihdhar and Hazmi, including that they had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing at the Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting, and that they were in the US to take part in the imminent al Qaeda terrorist attack. Tenet and the CIA have never explained aine why they withheld this information from the FBI criminal investigators when they clearly knew withholding this information would result in thousands of Americans being murdered!

Perhaps the most egregious action that had allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place was the email Maltbie sent to Tom Wilshere.

On August 24, the same day that Henry (Harry Samit) was exchanging e-mails with the CIA employee about obtaining information to connect Moussaoui to a foreign power, ITOS Deputy Chief Tom Wilshere, e-mailed David Frasca and Michael Maltbie, managers at the FBI RFU unit, about the Moussaoui case. Wilshere asked whether requests had been sent out for additional information on Moussaoui, including overseas numbers he might have called, and whether the FBI had obtained photographs of Moussaoui or his roommate] that could be provided to the CIA.
[DOJ/FBI IG report, p. 151, and DE #939 entered in the Moussaoui trial].

Maltbie concluded in one of the emails he sent back to Wilshere:
“Please bear in mind that there is no indication that either of these two had plans for nefarious activity as was apparently indicated in an earlier communication.” [Ibid].

It is now clear that on August 24, 2001, Wilshere, the number two person at the FBI ITOS unit, literally also had all of the information needed to prevent the attacks on 9/11. He not only knew that an al Qaeda terrorist attack was just about to take place inside the US, an attack that would murder a large number of Americans, but also knew since August 21, 2001, three days earlier, that two al Qaeda terrorists, Mihdhar and Hazmi, were already inside the US to participate in this attack. [Ibid.]

However, Wilshere withholds this information from Maltbie and Frasca and everyone in the FBI criminal investigation units, including FBI Agent Harry Samit and FBI Agent Steve Bongardt. While Wilshere was withholding this information from Maltbie and Frasca, he was also directing FBI ITOS Agent Dina Corsi to shut down Bongardt's investigation of Mihdar and Hazmi.

It is impossible to believe that Wilshere did not know that thousands of Americans would be murdered by his direct actions to withhold this information from the FBI criminal investigators. It is also clear that when Wilshere was withholding this information on Mihdhar and Hazmi, he was following secret orders from his prior CIA managers Blee, Black, and Tenet given to him in July 2001 to never give the Kuala Lumpur information on Mihdhar and Hazmi to the FBI.

Again, if anyone has any answer to Christiane Amanpour's question to Lawrence Wright, "We know that 3000 people were murdered because the CIA did not give the information they had on Mihdhar and Hazmi to the FBI. Lawrence, can you explain this?"

This is a very simple question, just answer this one question! Explain why the CIA allowed the al Qaeda terrorists to murder the 3000 people killed on 9/11.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

DOJ IG P. 178

After the first airplane hit, Martin tried to call Minneapolis ASAC Charles but reached Rowley instead. According to Rowley, she told Martin that it was essential to get a criminal search warrant for Moussaoui's belongings. Rowley said that Martin instructed her that Minneapolis should not take any action without FBI Headquarters approval because it could have an impact on matters of which she was not aware. In her May 20, 2002, letter to the FBI Director, Rowley wrote that in this conversation with Martin she had said "in light of what just happened in New York, it would have to be the 'hugest coincidence' at this point if Moussaoui was not involved with the terrorists."

Rowley wrote that Martin replied "something to the effect that I had used the right term 'coincidence' and that this was probably all just a coincidence." Rowley told the OIG that she agreed to follow Martin's directive not to immediately seek a criminal warrant, and she was told that FBI Headquarters would call her back.

Martin told the OIG that he recalled that there was a lot of confusion when he spoke to Rowley. Martin said that he did not recall making the statement about a coincidence to Rowley. He explained to the OIG that he did not feel comfortable giving legal advice about seeking a criminal warrant, so he went to the NSLU attorney who we call Tim, who advised that the Minneapolis FBI should seek the criminal search warrant.

This is incredible. Martin, aka Michael Maltbie, told Rowley that even after the WTC towers had been attacked by aircraft, he was not going to recommend Rowley get a criminal warrant for Moussaoui's possessions. Small wonder he can't remember that his actions had allowed the al Qaeda terrorists to murder approximately 3000 people.

What you say here is not supported by the quote from the report. This is your own, unsubstantiated and highly biased take- and this, in itself, has no evidentiary value. If you want to prove the CIA deliberately allowed the 9/11 attacks, you need to do more than a highly-coloured interpretation of this report.

Let's see. Moussaoui's flight instructor for his Boeing 747 training told the FBI that they were sure he was a terrorist trying to take flight training to hijack this type of aircraft.

Citation needed.

Minneapolis FBI criminal agents, after interviewing Moussaoui, also thought he was a terrorist who was getting Boeing 747 training without even having a private pilot's license to get control of an airplane to crash it into the [World Trade Center].

Citation needed.

Al-Attas even told the FBI that Moussaoui was an Islamic extremist who told him he could easily get 4-inch knives onto a commercial airplane.

Assuming you mean 'Al Atta', this would have been after the attacks, not before. Unless you mean someone else. In any case-
Citation needed.

This testimony is right in the DOJ IG report. This pretty much proves Martin, aka Michael Maltbie, had been told Moussaoui might hijack an airplane and crash it into the WTC towers.

No, it really doesn't. This is you accepting some parts of the report and rejecting others, based on your prior conclusions.

The post you refer to is typical of the FBI HQ agents after the attacks on 9/11. They all had amnesia. This also shows that the DOJ IG would put erroneous testimony in this report even when they knew it was false. This report largely details the testimony of the agents and managers who had deliberately allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place.

Exactly what I was talking about above. If they agree with your notions, they are telling the truth. If the report talks about confusion, differing testimonies and memories, or outright contradicts your theories, then they have amnesia, or they're lying, or the report is untrue. This is confirmation bias on a grand scale. Nothing you are doing here is remotely convincing.

This renders this whole report a complete fraud. There is no way the DOJ IG Glenn Fine did not know who the lead investigator was on the Moussaoui investigation and could not have asked him about his search of the duffel bag.

Let me repeat, this renders the whole FBI IG report a a complete fraud.

And again. You rely on the report when it suits you, and dismiss it as a complete fraud when it doesn't.

Does this render the DOJ IG report worthless? Absolutely not. Even though the accounts in this report have been edited by the DOJ IG to cover up the criminal malfeasance by the FBI HQ and the CIA that had allowed the al Qaeda terrorists to carry out the attacks on 9/11, it is easy to see exactly where, in most cases, this report had been obfuscated.

In order for your ideas to be correct, the report on which you base them, and which does not support your ideas, must have been edited and obfuscated.
You are not investigating. You are not looking at the information and making conclusions based on what you see. You have decided that there was a huge and traitorous conspiracy within the CIA and the FBI, and you are working backwards from there- cherrypicking what you think supports your prior conclusions, and downplaying the parts that don't.

This is a very simple question, just answer this one question! Explain why the CIA allowed the al Qaeda terrorists to murder the 3000 people killed on 9/11.

Simple: they didn't. All you are doing here is displaying your obsessive monomania, and unbridled cognitive biases. Neither convincing nor admirable.