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The Poetry of Rumi

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Has anyone around here read any Rumi (1207 – 1273)? Persian poet. I was reading some the other day and I came across a poem that captures how I look at religion, looking beyond the form. The Love religion, the religion of the individual, the religion of the soul. I hope you enjoy it.

Moses and the Shepherd

Moses heard a shepherd on the road, praying,
"God,
where are you? I want to help you, to fix your shoes
and comb your hair. I want to wash your clothes
and pick the lice off. I want to bring you milk
to kiss your little hands and feet when it's time
for you to go to bed. I want to sweep your room
and keep it neat. God, my sheep and goats
are yours. All I can say, remembering you,
is ayyyy and ahhhhhhhhh."

Moses could stand it no longer.
"Who are you talking to?"

"The one who made us,
and made the earth and made the sky."

"Don't talk about shoes
and socks with God! And what's this with your little hands
and feet? Such blasphemous familiarity sounds like
you're chatting with your uncles.
Only something that grows
needs milk. Only someone with feet needs shoes. Not God!
Even if you meant God's human representatives,
as when God said, `I was sick, and you did not visit me,'
even then this tone would be foolish and irreverent.

Use appropriate terms. Fatima is a fine name
for a woman, but if you call a man Fatima,
it's an insult. Body-and-birth language
are right for us on this side of the river,
but not for addressing the origin,
not for God."

The shepherd repented and tore his clothes and sighed
and wandered out into the desert.
A sudden revelation
then came to Moses.

God's voice:

You have separated me
from one of my own. Did you come as a Prophet to unite,
or to sever?
I have given each being a separate and unique way
of seeing and knowing that knowledge.

What seems wrong to you is right for him.
What is poison to one is honey to someone else.

Purity and impurity, sloth and diligence in worship,
these mean nothing to me.
I am apart from all that.
Ways of worshipping are not to be ranked as better
or worse than one another.
Hindus do Hindu things.
The Dravidian Muslims in India do what they do.
It's all praise, and it's all right.

It's not me that's glorified in acts of worship.
It's the worshipers! I don't hear the words
they say. I look inside at the humility.

That broken-open lowliness is the reality,
not the language! Forget phraseology.
I want burning, 'burning'.
Be friends
with your burning. Burn up your thinking
and your forms of expression!
Moses,
those who pay attention to ways of behaving
and speaking are one sort.
Lovers who burn
are another.


Don't impose a property tax
on a burned-out village. Don't scold the Lover.
The "wrong" way he talks is better than a hundred
"right" ways of others.
Inside the Kaaba
it doesn't matter which direction you point
your prayer rug!
The ocean diver doesn't need snowshoes!
The love-religion has no code or doctrine.
Only God.
So the ruby has nothing engraved on it!
It doesn't need markings.

God began speaking
deeper mysteries to Moses. Vision and words,
which cannot be recorded here, poured into
and through him. He left himself and came back.
He went to eternity and came back here.
Many times this happened.
It's foolish of me
to try and say this. If I did say it,
it would uproot our human intelligences.
It would shatter all writing pens.

Moses ran after the shepherd.
He followed the bewildered footprints,
in one place moving straight like a castle
across a chessboard. In another, sideways,
like a bishop.
Now surging like a wave cresting,
now sliding down like a fish,
with always his feet
making geomancy symbols in the sand,
recording
his wandering state.
Moses finally caught up
with him.

"I was wrong. God has revealed to me
that there are no rules for worship.
Say whatever
and however your loving tells you to. Your sweet blasphemy
is the truest devotion. Through you a whole world
is freed.
Loosen your tongue and don't worry what comes out.
It's all the light of the spirit."

The shepherd replied,

"Moses, Moses,
I've gone beyond even that.
You applied the whip and my horse shied and jumped
out of itself. The divine nature and my human nature
came together.
Bless your scolding hand and your arm.
I can't say what's happened.
What I'm saying now
is not my real condition. It can't be said."

The shepherd grew quiet.
When you look in a mirror,
you see yourself, not the state of the mirror.
The flute player puts breath into a flute,
and who makes the music? Not the flute.
The flute player!
Whenever you speak praise
or thanksgiving to God, it's always like
this dear shepherd's simplicity.
When you eventually see
through the veils to how things really are,
you will keep saying again
and again,

"This is certainly not like
we thought it was!"
 
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Yeah, I really like the poems I've heard.
Coleman Barks does some good renditions (e.g. below)
I heard Rumi is the second most popular poet in the USA (measured by sales I think).
He has a very interesting life story. Hopefully this'll be an interesting thread rather than the usual religion-bashing.
 
Yes!
I can relate to the heartwise poetry of Rumi.
And in full possesion of my Atheism.
It takes me to a deeper place than Theology.
 
haha! :D

"A donkey with a load of holy books is still a donkey."

-Traditional (Essential Sufism)


Ever since Happiness heard your name
It has been running through the streets
Trying to find you.

And several times in the last week,
God Himself has even come to my door-
Asking me for your address!

Once I said,
“God,
I thought You knew everything.
Why are You asking me
Where Your lovers live?”

And the Beloved replied,

Indeed, Hafiz, I do know Everything –
But it is fun playing dumb once in a while.
And I love intimate chat
And the warmth of your heart’s fire.

Maybe we should make this poem into a song-
I think it has potential!

How far does this refrain sound,
For I know it is a Truth:

Ever since Happiness heard your name,
It has been running through the streets
Trying to find you.
And several times in the last week,
God Himself has come to my door-
So sweetly asking for your address,
Wanting the beautiful warmth of your heart’s fire.
 
Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field. I will meet you there."
--Rumi

:thumbsup:


I like that one a lot.

A true Lover doesn't follow any one religion,
be sure of that.
Since in the religion of Love,
there is no irreverence or faith.
When in Love,
body, mind, heart and soul don't even exist.
Become this,
fall in Love,
and you will not be separated again.

-Rumi
 
The intellectual quest is exquisite like pearls and coral,
But it is not the same as the spiritual quest.
The spiritual quest is on another level altogether,
Spiritual wine has a subtler taste.
The intellect and the senses investigate cause and effect.
The spiritual seeker surrenders to the wonder.


- Rumi
 
One year and one day since I made the OP and its time for another Rumi poem!

Reason says, I will beguile him with the tongue;" Love says, "Be silent. I will beguile him with the soul."

The soul says to the heart, "Go, do not laugh at me and yourself. What is there that is not his, that I may
beguile him thereby?"

He is not sorrowful and anxious and seeking oblivion that I may beguile him with wine and a heavy measure.
The arrow of his glance needs not a bow that I should beguile the shaft of his gaze with a bow.

He is not prisoner of the world, fettered to this world of earth, that I should beguile him with gold of the
kingdom of the world.

He is an angel, though in form he is a man; he is not lustful that I should beguile him with women.
Angels start away from the house wherein this form is, so how should I beguile him with such a form and likeness?

He does not take a flock of horses, since he flies on wings; his food is light, so how should I beguile him with bread?
He is not a merchant and trafficker in the market of the world that I should beguile him with enchantment of gain and loss.

He is not veiled that I should make myself out sick and utter sighs, to beguile him with lamentation.
I will bind my head and bow my head, for I have got out of hand; I will not beguile his compassion with sickness or fluttering.

Hair by hair he sees my crookedness and feigning; what’s hidden from him that I should beguile him with anything hidden.
He is not a seeker of fame, a prince addicted to poets, that I should beguile him with verses and lyrics and flowing poetry.

The glory of the unseen form is too great for me to beguile it with blessing or Paradise.
Shams-e Tabriz, who is his chosen and beloved – perchance I will beguile him with this same pole of the age.
 
Oh I LOVE Rumi! He's one of my favorites.

"I want to be where
your bare foot walks,

because maybe before you step
you'll look at the ground.
I want that blessing."


"This is how I could die
into the love I have for you;

as pieces of cloud
dissolve in sunlight."
 
What Jesus runs away from

The son of Mary, Jesus, hurries up a slope
as though a wild animal were chasing him.
Someone following him asks, 'Where are you going?
No one is after you.’ Jesus keeps on,
saying nothing, across two more fields. 'Are you
the one who says words over a dead person,
so that he wakes up?’ I am. 'Did you not make
the clay birds fly?' Yes. 'Who then
could possibly cause you to run like this?'
Jesus slows his pace.

I say the Great Name over the deaf and the blind,
they are healed. Over a stony mountainside,
and it tears its mantle down to the navel.
Over non-existence, it comes into existence.
But when I speak lovingly for hours, for days,
with those who take human warmth
and mock it, when I say the Name to them, nothing
happens. They remain rock, or turn to sand,
where no plants can grow. Other diseases are ways
for mercy to enter, but this non-responding
breeds violence and coldness toward God.
I am fleeing from that.

As little by little air steals water, so praise
Is dried up and evaporates with foolish people
who refuse to change. Like cold stone you sit on,
a cynic steals body heat. He doesn't feel
the sun. Jesus wasn't running from actual people.
He was teaching in a new way. -Rumi

~

This forum is sand.
 
What Jesus runs away from
...
~

This forum is sand.

Limbo

their lives are a mystery
they make it their career

in the single files of history

fallen disappear

swearing they'll get even

with all those other creeps

philistines and Heathens

they violently sleep

or steal from cigarette machines

just to get the change

to get back to where they've been

a doorway in the rain

back in the confession box

back amongst the slums

desire burns like chicken pox

underneath the thumbs

a refugee from purgatory

in a purple robe of scorn

turns out she's a gringo

of hard circumstance

limbo Baby Limbo

they want to see you dance

take the tradesman's entrance

take it out on a tramp

every *********** sentence

he complains about the damp

the only girl is a faint cry

in the garden of cement

wait until the paint dries

it's a big event

look through heaven's window

with their opalescent panes

limbo Baby Limbo

down the Boulevard of shame

the virgin Mary dies intact

hardly seems awake

her stone gaze denies the fact

her feet are crushing snakes

the extra legal image

the cold cream skin

the regal gimicks

did you in

look through heaven's window

you see the powder blue veil

the cover girl of limbo

the sweetheart of the jail

gypsy babies hop-scotch

outside the silver gates

the witch doctor's wristwatch

is stuck at five-to-eight

a bad break, a slight ache

is every ones compaint

flesh flakes like angel cake

from mug-shots of the saints

who fell from a window

was never seen again

'til he turns up in limbo

in a doorway in the rain

a hero rides to heaven

the public only rots

for a fraction of forever

in a designated spot

eternally paralysed

a morbid orbit shift

halfway to paradise

stuck in the lifts

some smart crackin' bimbo

say's you can't be employed

sends you off to limbo

on the stairway to a void


LYRICS © JOHN COOPER CLARKE

Note: This version is from 'Snap, Crackle & Bop,' (which is a little different in places to the versions on 'Walking Back to Hapiness,' and the version in the book: 'Ten Years in An Open Necked Shirt.'
 
If you guys like Rumi you will probably like a movie called "Monsieur Ibrahim."
 
O my GAWD a thread that been here for years and apparently no uncivility (is that even a word and if so did I spell it right)

regardless some good literature here thanks for resurecting it I enjoyed the read

:)
 
You would cross the river here
the confluence of current where
cobbles click and tick and carry
sound down where the trout
and char flit to the dark of
undercut bank.

Their gill flash red as scourge
in an attempt to mask and purge
and hide the need to pump liquid air.

They do not fear you
but the boulder next to the boulder
with a paint back
a god, a messiah, a pariah with beak
as old as myth and older than your myth.
 
The Ground

Today, like every other day, we wake up empty and scared.
Don't open the door to the study and begin reading.
Take down the dulcimer.

Let the beauty we love be what we do.
There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss the ground.
 

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