The Phoenix Lights... We Are Not Alone

"I have no idea. It was not just one pilot but several. All were part of the Maryland ANG". We are still talkin' about the flares right? I thought we already established that no pilots can be found for the first v-formation incident. I'm referring to the one pilot that dropped the "flares" .
 
chuck4842 said:
Your link is blind for me , but here is a Mr. David Tanaka in the air force memorial foundation website-...http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Lt.+Col.+David+Tanaka&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8 I don't know if it's the same guy.
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This is a sponsors list. People who have donated to the memorial in some way. It is not a list of those members who have died. Additionally, this would not be Col. Tanaka because no rank is listed. If Tanaka were retired, he would be listed as Col. Tanaka (ret). It may be his father or a relative or just somebody with the same name.
 
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You're saying there were lots of flares dropped by multiple A10 warthogs that night. But the ones seen by the public were the result of one plane right? I mean that would make sense. I can't find anything about Tanaka being involved, your site is hard to navigate, and I'm simply to busy to keep trying to find it. I have seen Air National Guard pilot, Lt. Col. Ed Jonest of the 104th squadrons reply to the media. Am I getting somewhere? Whos in charge of the nicknames here? I never claimed to be a scholar.
 
Oh I get it now, your a "muse" 'cause you ponder things sometimes obsessively(which I can't blame you, especially on this subject), and sometimes inconclusively. I'm a scholar for learning from you and admitting when you're right. HEY nickname guy I'm not thru yet! Something happened in Phoenix , and is still going on by the way, dag nab it!
 
chuck4842 said:
You're saying there were lots of flares dropped by multiple A10 warthogs that night. But the ones seen by the public were the result of one plane right? I mean that would make sense. I can't find anything about Tanaka being involved, your site is hard to navigate, and I'm simply to busy to keep trying to find it. I have seen Air National Guard pilot, Lt. Col. Ed Jonest of the 104th squadrons reply to the media. Am I getting somewhere? Whos in charge of the nicknames here? I never claimed to be a scholar.
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Tanaka was on the discovery channel show and was in the video clip posted (which came from the show). I recall Capt Drew Sullins also but he was a spokesman for the Maryland ANG and probably just the PAO (public affairs officer). I think I saw sullins on the "unsolved mysteries" clip as well. I have a whole collection of various clips. They all blur together after a while.

Your the first person to complain they can't navigate my site. I tried to design it in some sequence that was chronological in nature. I apologize if you have difficulties understanding the layout.

The nicknames are put up there based on the number of posts. I think you can change it after so many posts.
 
LTC8K6 said:
The one incident was a MD nat'l guard unit dropping flares, the other, the giant flying triangle, was a formation of small planes.

The funny thing is that there is really no doubt whatsoever about what the two sightings were, the proof is conclusive, yet the UFO story persists...
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Thousands of eyewitnesses, which you aint one of 'em, and I aint laughing, and still have doubts.
 
"Your the first person to complain they can't navigate my site." I aint complaining dude. I just wasted my night trying again to find Tanaka on your website and I'm getting nowhere. I really appreciate your work my man. Look,..your homepage starts off with seven links, just give me a hint and tell me which one. I aint trying to prove nothing, I'm just getting a little aggravated. I think you got way more info on this event than needed. Have you ever heard of a one page resume?
 
Hindmost said:
Actually, I have not posted that before...ever.

What I have posted many times in the past--and believers like you never even answer or address this issue--is: how do the aliens actually get here to earth? The energy requirements to get to the nearest star would fill up a hollow earth. (unless they have antimatter...but it would still have to be manufactured--and that always comes up against law one and law two) Why would the our alien friends spend all that energy...just to come here and flash a few lights in the sky and leave? Does that really make sense? I would think they would at least want to gas up before leaving.

Please don't tell me about undiscovered energy sources...nothing is going to trump matter-antimatter reactions.

glenn

PS: my ignorance is never pure...it's always contaminated.
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If I thought they were aliens from outerspace, I wouldn't have joined jref searching for a logical explanation. Where did I say that? Your ignorance isn't just contaminated, it's delusional.
 
Astro-"The nicknames are put up there based on the number of posts. I think you can change it after so many posts." You have 600 some posts. Did you choose muse? Is there a limited selection? Because I think I saw another muse. I want to be "Low-TeK Redneck" and reserve the right to change it if you educated yuppies start in on me. That's another thread tho, did I mention I have A.D.D?
 
chuck4842 said:
"Your the first person to complain they can't navigate my site." I aint complaining dude. I just wasted my night trying again to find Tanaka on your website and I'm getting nowhere. I really appreciate your work my man. Look,..your homepage starts off with seven links, just give me a hint and tell me which one. I aint trying to prove nothing, I'm just getting a little aggravated. I think you got way more info on this event than needed. Have you ever heard of a one page resume?
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Sigh...Tanaka is not listed on my site so no wonder you have problems trying to locate his name. He was on the discovery channel show (the clip was posted already). You were the one stating you heard the pilot had died. I just gave the only name I had seen associated with the flight. If you are interested, I am sure a FOIA can provide a list of the pilots out on the range that night. I am not even sure if Tanaka was on the flight. I just know he appeared on the discovery channel show talking about the flares being dropped over the range.

You did mention Lt. Col. Ed Jones, who stated he was on the flight that night to the media. I checked up on his name but found very little other than references where he was quoted. I am sure if he had died, there would have an obituary somewhere. My guess is he has retired since then and is probably flying a commercial jet somewhere or just enjoying his retirement check. Feel free to look for him.

As for a one page resume idea of yours, the information is too great to put it on one page. If you feel a need to come up with your own web page feel free to do so.
 
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chuck4842 said:
If I thought they were aliens from outerspace, I wouldn't have joined jref searching for a logical explanation. Where did I say that? Your ignorance isn't just contaminated, it's delusional.
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So far, a logical explanation has been presented and you have appeared to reject it for reasons of your own, which you have yet to explain in all of your ramblings.
 
Thousands of eyewitnesses, which you aint one of 'em, and I aint laughing, and still have doubts.
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Your doubts are your problem.

Strong evidence has been presented to you to explain what was seen by those eyewitnesses.

You are free to ignore the evidence.

You are not free to claim the evidence does not exist, or that it does not fit what was seen by those eyewitnesses.

The evidence does exist, and it does fit.

Nothing that you or I claim, can alter that.

You are free to present other evidence at any time.
 
chuck4842 said:
If I thought they were aliens from outerspace, I wouldn't have joined jref searching for a logical explanation. Where did I say that? Your ignorance isn't just contaminated, it's delusional.
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You are too kind...

glenn:)
 
So far the logical explanation was that the slow,low flying V-formation, wasn't picked up by radar and seen by alot of upclose eyewitnesses as one craft, except for Mitch Stanley who looked at it thru his telescope and saw 5 planes in formation. No military had any scheduled exercises they were aware of, until months after the event because the Military doesn't concern itself with unidentified low flying formations over major american cities. The second flare incident which also appeared to many eyewitnesses and in the video as a formation or even one craft, was actually the result of multiple A-10 warthogs dropping flares, not the regular flares, but some kind of special flares that just added to the illusion. The Airforce still doesn't have the time nor concern to produce the name of a single one of these pilots. Just spokesmen. Did I sum it up on one page. Go ahead and tell me what I missed. I'm trying to see both sides of this story and hope you can see why some of this just isn't "logical explanation"
 
Astrophotographer said:
Sigh...Tanaka is not listed on my site so no wonder you have problems trying to locate his name. He was on the discovery channel show (the clip was posted already). You were the one stating you heard the pilot had died. I just gave the only name I had seen associated with the flight. If you are interested, I am sure a FOIA can provide a list of the pilots out on the range that night. I am not even sure if Tanaka was on the flight. I just know he appeared on the discovery channel show talking about the flares being dropped over the range.

You did mention Lt. Col. Ed Jones, who stated he was on the flight that night to the media. I checked up on his name but found very little other than references where he was quoted. I am sure if he had died, there would have an obituary somewhere. My guess is he has retired since then and is probably flying a commercial jet somewhere or just enjoying his retirement check. Feel free to look for him.
As for a one page resume idea of yours, the information is too great to put it on one page. If you feel a need to come up with your own web page feel free to do so.
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Wiki states Ed Jones as one of the pilots and gives Ronald Ball as a reference, and a date of 2000 when Ball released the statement to the media. Which it also appears the year Ball died.
 
Astro-"If you feel a need to come up with your own web page feel free to do so" Maybe you should start a thread titled "Phoenix lights case closed no reason to discuss it" And stay there.
 
chuck4842 said:
Wiki states Ed Jones as one of the pilots and gives Ronald Ball as a reference, and a date of 2000 when Ball released the statement to the media. Which it also appears the year Ball died.
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But Ball was not a pilot to the best of my knowledge. BTW, Ed Jones was quoted long before that. BTW, I did find a reference where it is stated he is the assistant director of operations for 104th fighter squadron in 2007. So, you might want to look there to see if he is dead. However, he seemed pretty much alive as he was quoted.

As for Ronald Ball, I am not sure who he is but it could be this guy:


http://murrayaircertifications.com/expertise.html#ronanchor

According to this website, he is very much alive.
 
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