The Phoenix Lights... We Are Not Alone

chuck4842 said:
I just don't see how more than one can drop them (flares)when they appear to be in perfect formation. Equal distances apart. Also wasn't the af explanation that they were dumping their leftovers? Why would one pilot "dump" his and say ok I'm outta here, the next pilot says hey I'm going to catch up to your previous location and drop mine in sequence with yours and so on. The warthogs weren't equipped with GPS in 1997 were they? I thought that was more recent, hell I can't remember what all I've read recently and hope I don't come off as rude.
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If the aircraft were flying in a formation and they decided to drop their flares about the same time, the flares would appear in a similar formation as the aircraft were flying.
 
chuck4842 said:
The flares have a timing device when dropped so if dropped at the same time they would light at the same time. I critcized your video and you challenged me to produce a better one. Well here it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdIdDpJYSOM
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A. Are all the timing devices precisely set or are they set within a certain time range? Most settings have a "bandwidth" for the lack of a better term. In other words, they are set to (as an example) 10 seconds +/-2 seconds. This means they could go off at 8 or 12 and not exactly 10 seconds.

B. If the planes did not drop them simulatenously the flares would go off at slightly different times.

The video is not much different than the one I posted. It is just longer and was one of those used by Dr. Maccabee in his analysis (The Kryston video clip or what he calls "K"). I see nothing in this video that suggests a large massive craft and I see something that looks like flares being dropped.
 
If they're not set precisely, by that distant view +- 2 secs. is probably precise enough,in the video tho they appear in sequence right to left as if by one plane, this is why I cant picture 9 flares in sequence from at least 3 warthogs in a geometric line. That seems to be alot of variables . But do you admit they weren't dropped at the same time? I admitted the cognitech evidence they're falling behind the range.
 
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chuck4842 said:
But do you admit they weren't dropped at the same time?
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I thought I said that was a possibility. It could have been two or more craft dropping the flares. I don't think it could be one because there are too many for one and the angular separation makes it unlikely that one craft could have covered the distance to drop all the flares (based on the numbers provided by Maccabee).
 
Astrophotographer said:
I thought I said that was a possibility. It could have been two or more craft dropping the flares. I don't think it could be one because there are too many for one and the angular separation makes it unlikely that one craft could have covered the distance to drop all the flares (based on the numbers provided by Maccabee).
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9 x 2 = 18 seconds of max time difference. So it's likely considering they appeared over alot longer than 18 secs.
 
LOL "I go to airshows so I know about military aviation."? How about asking a military aviator about things like flares, flightplans, etc.

I still find that anyone who clings to this as a UFO sighting is more than deluded, they are outright loony!
 
LarianLeQuella said:
LOL "I go to airshows so I know about military aviation."? How about asking a military aviator about things like flares, flightplans, etc.

I still find that anyone who clings to this as a UFO sighting is more than deluded, they are outright loony!
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[nitpick] well, assuming the UFO is considered of alien origin. There are plenty of UFOs from earth--but who cares about those.[nitpick off/]

glenn
 
I consider myself to have been picked clean of nits. :)

Although, in this case, they ARE identified as far as I can tell. Airplanes and flares.
 
Astrophotographer said:
The air formation was moving at a high ground speed but due to its altitude, it's angular speed (the apparent speed to an observer) would have been low. Do the math. An aircraft moving 400 mph at 20,000 feet would appear to a ground observer to be moving at the same speed as an aircraft moving at 40 mph at 2000 feet or 20 mph at 1000 feet.
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You want me to "do the math" thru a Dobsonian telescope. Call me lazy, I just don't feel like it . I can't get the slow moving moon in an amateur telescope for my kids. But they can for me. By the way. Who's the new gaming guy from harry potter with lice?Keep that guy away from my kids!
 
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Lt. Col. Ed Jones is probably related to John doe since Lt. Col. Ed Jones never stated publicly he was one of the flare droppin' Warthog pilots. Lt. Col. Ed Jones murmered this to Ron Ball in 2000 who announced it before he dropped dead in 2000. The official statement from the USAF National guard of Maryland is the ufo event of march 1997 was actually A10 Warthogs "dumping" unused flares,("And we can prove it!" thats the last we've heardfrom them 10 years later) and A10 warthogs carry no more than 4 flares each. The reason they dump them before returning is safety reasons, explain the AF. 9 flares(notice I didn't quote flares this time) appeared in sequence and order from right to left as if by one plane. I am not saying this is ET darn it. I'm saying maybe the flyboys are screwing with us and think it's funny. Happens all the time, just search the vids.
 
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One time when I was a teenage man(I aint never been a boy nothin') I was drivin' around Fayetteville NC which is next to Pope AFB but even more reknowned Ft. Bragg. Anyway there was a loud BOOM , and I and everyone else that day pulled over in confusion and started cursing each other. I know, sounds redneck as hades. The news that night reported an earthquake in Rocky Mount. I argued with my dad who's ret.CSM now , and he quietly mumbled that pilot couldn't get a job flying kites now. I realised then the medias cooperation in not "pressing the issue" when it comes to one mans bad judgement.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Pope AFB is next to Spring Lake, not Fayetteville...
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At an intersection of 87(Bragg Blvd.) I can put one foot in Pope, another in Bragg and reach my hand out and touch Spring lake. At another intersection I can stand in both Fayettevelle and Ft. Bragg. Stop your political correctness. It's close enough to hear a sonic boom. Nice to hear from a been there done that tho.
 
I live not too far from the area and have since 1978...

I have done FTX's at Bragg...

I have taken flights in and out of Pope...

I am in Fayette Nam often...

Your statement remains incorrect.
 
Are you stating Fayetteville isn't close to Pope? I said they all definitely are lying on each others borders. I hope you see I admitted Fayetteville is adjacent to Ft.Bragg, which conjoins to Spring Lake and Pope at I think Reilly st. I can trouble myself with a google map but don't feel the need since I grew up there. My point was if a jet broke the sound barrier Fayetteville got wind of it.
 
LTC8K6 said:
When you were a teenager, what jet could break the speed of sound at sea level, or anywhere close to it, that would have been anywhere near Pope?

What jets can do so today?
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I aint that damn old, I remember Chuck Yeager as I was growing up, my names Chuck, in case you didn't notice. Are you sure you work at Pope? This is getting off topic and getting me a bit peeved.
 
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