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The PG Film - Bob Heironimus and Patty

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Careyp74 said:
Just to clear up for anyone reading this quoted post, the idea being conveyed is not that the guerrillas couldn't be faked, but that they looked like guerrillas, and no one would say, "Hey, could be men in monkey suits." On the other hand, this video being discussed, and others similar to it, all look like people in monkey suits. This logic seems to fall short with some people.
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Well, to some, it looks fake, to others, it doesnt. Popular opinion, regardless of either position, should not affect the authenticity of the film
 
Why would there be any authenticity to a film that looks like a guy in a monkey suit? The only supposed authenticity is a bunch of skewed comparisons of the monster in the film, with measurements from his nipple to his elbow.
 
Careyp74 said:
Why would there be any authenticity to a film that looks like a guy in a monkey suit? The only supposed authenticity is a bunch of skewed comparisons of the monster in the film, with measurements from his nipple to his elbow.
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It looks like, to SOME people, a guy in a suit. To others, it does not, so what does that mean? It's interpretation is not clear cut, so no common sense is used when it comes to viewing the film.
 
makaya325 said:
Well, to some, it looks fake, to others, it doesnt. Popular opinion, regardless of either position, should not affect the authenticity of the film
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The PGF has no established authenticity. It hasn't been proven to be a real creature, nor has it been proven to be a man in a suit. Popular opinion can't affect an authenticity that doesn't exist.
 
makaya325 said:
It looks like, to SOME people, a guy in a suit. To others, it does not, so what does that mean? It's interpretation is not clear cut, so no common sense is used when it comes to viewing the film.
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We can't use common sense because some are fooled? Where did you get that rule?
 
desertgal said:
The PGF has no established authenticity. It hasn't been proven to be a real creature, nor has it been proven to be a man in a suit. Popular opinion can't affect an authenticity that doesn't exist.
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Nor can it influence a hoax that does not exist. ;)
 
makaya325 said:
It's interpretation is not clear cut, so no common sense is used when it comes to viewing the film.
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Huh? If I approach the PGF with an open mind, common sense tells me that the PGF was likely a hoax. The evidence supporting the PGF as a hoax is more compelling and that conclusion is more logical, primarily, but not solely, because there ISN'T any conclusive evidence to support the alternative.

In your opinion, the interpretation is not clear cut. To a larger number, though, who DO use their common sense, their interpretation of the film is very clear cut: It is a hoax and nothing more.
 
Odinn wrote....in the "PG Film Part 3" thread:

Actually, I see a really obvious mismatch with the Morris suit.
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Good observation, Odinn. :)

In this comparison of kitakaze's...he located Patty's elbow too high on her arm...


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Here is a comparison of two images of Patty....showing exactly where Patty's elbow is....and where it is not...

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Part of the mis-match in the elbows is due to a difference in the positions of the arms, in their swings...but not all of the difference is due to that.


This comparison confirms what Odinn's comparison also showed...that kitakaze highlighted Patty's elbow incorrectly.
 
desertgal said:
Huh? If I approach the PGF with an open mind, common sense tells me that the PGF was likely a hoax. The evidence supporting the PGF as a hoax is more compelling and that conclusion is more logical, primarily, but not solely, because there ISN'T any conclusive evidence to support the alternative.

In your opinion, the interpretation is not clear cut. To a larger number, though, who DO use their common sense, their interpretation of the film is very clear cut: It is a hoax and nothing more.
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What evidence of a hoax? A bunch of hicks saying Roger was a liar, based on no evidence, only anecdotes, Bob H wanting to make a quick buck, etc. You call that evidence?

Inconsistencies in Roger and Bob's testimony can be due to memory loss of the event
 
makaya325 said:
What evidence of a hoax? A bunch of hicks saying Roger was a liar, based on no evidence, only anecdotes, Bob H wanting to make a quick buck, etc. You call that evidence?
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Do you ever actually read and attempt to comprehend the posts you reply to?

No, I didn't call it evidence. I didn't mention it at all. No clue where you are getting that from.

Inconsistencies in Roger and Bob's testimony can be due to memory loss of the event
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I didn't cite Roger and Bob's testimony as evidence, either. No clue where you are getting that from.

What I actually did say was, using common sense, the conclusion that the PGF is a hoax is logical, mainly because there is NO evidence that supports the alternative, i.e. the existence of Bigfoot.

Please share your conclusive evidence that proves it isn't a hoax, and I'll reconsider my opinion that it is.
 
SweatyYeti said:
In this comparison of kitakaze's...he located Patty's elbow too high on her arm...


[qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/Patty%20Elbow%20Analysis/PattyBobWrong1.jpg[/qimg]



Here is a comparison of two images of Patty....showing exactly where Patty's elbow is....and where it is not...

[qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/Patty%20Elbow%20Analysis/PattyElbowWRONG2.jpg[/qimg]

Part of the mis-match in the elbows is due to a difference in the positions of the arms, in their swings...but not all of the difference is due to that.

This comparison confirms what Odinn's comparison also showed...that kitakaze highlighted Patty's elbow incorrectly.
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Here, let me help you. Your red line on the right doesn't continue to the left image for some reason. Oh, wait a minute. I know why that is and so do you. It's because if we continue the line, suddenly Patty's elbow's literally a few inches from her wrist...

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You mean Patty has a morphing arm as well as a morphing head? Crazy!
 
makaya325 said:
What evidence of a hoax? A bunch of hicks saying Roger was a liar, based on no evidence, only anecdotes, Bob H wanting to make a quick buck, etc. You call that evidence?

Inconsistencies in Roger and Bob's testimony can be due to memory loss of the event
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You keep mentioning some hicks. What is a hick and how do you know the people you call this name are such?
 
how will we go about measuring the elbow distance then? More skewed pictures? You going to draw a yellow line from his arm to his ear, and hope no one notices?
 
SweatyYeti said:
Here's a comparison using a padded costume, that AtomicMysteryMonster linked to, earlier...in another thread...
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Let's not forget that the costume in question was a rejected prototype that was only used for publicity pictures...and is possibly being posed without anyone inside the costume (notice the guy behind it and the woman being held up with rope).

Speaking of publicity pictures, why is Óðinn using a picture of the Morris suit that has clearly been "touched up" when asking about material flaps?

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Óðinn said:
IMO, the head looks a bit overscaled if a helmet and costume head were placed over the Poser's head.
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Quick correction: According to Bob H.'s story, the interior of the costume head resembled an old-fashioned football helmet. He did not say he was wearing a mask on top of a football helmet.
 
GT/CS said:
You keep mentioning some hicks. What is a hick and how do you know the people you call this name are such?
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Bob Heironimus and his grandma Opal, both who can't remember a darn thing if there live was dependent on it! That is not evidence: Evidence would be 100 percent consistency in Bob H's testimony, a suit, having Bob walk with the suit on and duplicating the film figure, having Gimlin admit it was a hoax.
 
desertgal said:
What I actually did say was, using common sense, the conclusion that the PGF is a hoax is logical, mainly because there is NO evidence that supports the alternative, i.e. the existence of Bigfoot.
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That is weak, sorry. Just because there is no solid evidence for bigfoot, you jump on the hoax conclusion, despite their being not one piece of credible evidence that makes the hoax theory a certainty.
 
makaya325 said:
That is weak, sorry. Just because there is no solid evidence for bigfoot, you jump on the hoax conclusion, despite their being not one piece of credible evidence that makes the hoax theory a certainty.
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Show me the credible evidence that establishes, with certainty, that Patty was a real Bigfoot.
 
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