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"The Passion" starts today.

Tmy

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Tmy
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Anyoen going to see it. Not me, I had my fill of Jesus filmstrips in Catholic school.

Heres what gets me. The people who will flock to this gory movie are the same ones who constantly bitch n moan about Hollywood being to violent. I guess brutal violence is Ok when its a movie they like. I wonder if Bill Oreily will complain about this movie. Will he consider parents who take kids to this unfit.
 
This point has been made in other threads, and it is worth repeating.

Many of those who complain about violence in media are going to lose the moral high ground should they speak glowingly of this movie. There seems to be a consensus that this movie is the most violent ever made, certainly the most violent mainstream movie ever made.

Oh, I can hear it now, "But this movie is realistic; it's true to history; it teaches a moral message; it's not just violence for the sake of violence." Bullplop. As I've mentioned in another thread, the scriptural accounts of violence against Jesus are exceptionally brief and without detail, and apart from being mocked, there is nothing in the Gospels to indicate that Jesus was a special case or that his torture was more extreme than that inflicted on others. Gibson, like all Hollywood people who make "historical" dramas, has taken plenty of dramatic liberties.
 
Jesus movies have been made in the past, and havent been as graphic. So I argue that Gibsons movie is gratuitous.

I like how people complain that Hollywood gun violence is not depicted as realistic then you get a movie that does show the true violence (like Resivior Dogs) and they complain its too graphic? Make up you damn mind.

I wonder, if this movie wasnt about Jesus, would it be given an NC 17 rating???

If Oreilly talks about this movie on his radio show today, Im calling in!
 
I've thought about checking it out, if nothing else out of curiousity.

Maybe I'll wear a "666" t-shirt, and laugh during the really painful parts. Because that's the kind of nice guy I am. :)
 
A Hollywood actor claims to really know what happened 2000 years ago and can share his 'knowledge' by charging John Q Public $10.00 per viewing. Now he and the studio will profit millions off the religious beliefs of people while they spread the gospel. :rolleyes:

Truth is stranger than fiction...
 
ZN said:
A Hollywood actor claims to really know what happened 2000 years ago and can share his 'knowledge' by charging John Q Public $10.00 per viewing.
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Not so different I think than Hollywood producers doing the same thing with the Moses story and kind of like zionists founding a country based on 3 to 4 thousand year old mythology.

Here's two links that somebody might find of interest:

Site is by a Christian and assumes Jesus existed but is still very skeptical of Biblical stories.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/xmas_lib.htm

Site is best of several I've seen arguing Jesus didn't exist at all

http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm
 
davefoc said:
Not so different I think than Hollywood producers doing the same thing with the Moses story and kind of like zionists founding a country based on 3 to 4 thousand year old mythology.
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Hahahahahaha!....you just could not post without using the word 'zionists' at least once...so typical....what are you gonna say next? The Dead Sea Scolls and the Temple Mount in Jerusalem were fabricated after 1967?...hahahahaha....
 
Can anyone tell me...

Why shouldn't I see this movie, considering the fact that I am an agnostic/atheist?

I don't believe in ghosts or the tooth fairy, but I liked the movie "Darkness Falls"...

I don't believe in UFO's and sentient beings from other worlds, but I liked "Aliens", "Predator", and "Star Wars"...

Can I enjoy the film without accepting the story as "gospel"??
 
Not so different I think than Hollywood producers doing the same thing with the Moses story and kind of like zionists founding a country based on 3 to 4 thousand year old mythology.

(sigh)

This is actually a serious misconception. The zionist claim to israel is NOT based on whether or not Moses existed or whether there is a divine promise to it. It's based on the historical fact that the jewish nation existed there for thousands of years. Virtually all nations have creation myths about why they divine right to their land, and explaining their history in those terms. Those myths are uniformly false, but so what? It is their HISTORY that gives them the right to their land, not the myth they used to justify it. If George Washington never cut down the cherry tree (and he didn't), does this mean America has no right to exist?
 
I've heard a little bit, and I'm sure there will be more, of heavy-duty fundamentalists, who rarely see a movie, proclaiming this the greatest movie ever made. Sheesh. Frankly, the story is not interesting. It's two hours of a guy getting tortured.

Is anyone really going to pop this into the DVD player for an evening's entertainment? I'd rather watch something actually entertaining.
 
ZN said:
Hahahahahaha!....you just could not post without using the word 'zionists' at least once...so typical...hahahahaha
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I'm not sure you got my point there ZN.

Did you notice that the person who thought it was amazing that somebody would claim to really know what happened 2000 years ago and make a movie about it was also the person that claimed that he really knew what happened 3000 years ago and that this was some of his justification for the relocation of the native population of Palestine in 1948?

I'm not sure that this was amazing given how entrenched people can become in the views that they have been indoctrinated with their whole life, but I did find it interesting.
 
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Kodiak said:
Why shouldn't I see this movie, considering the fact that I am an agnostic/atheist?

I don't believe in ghosts or the tooth fairy, but I liked the movie "Darkness Falls"...

I don't believe in UFO's and sentient beings from other worlds, but I liked "Aliens", "Predator", and "Star Wars"...

Can I enjoy the film without accepting the story as "gospel"??
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sure, you can see it without accepting the story as gospel. you can't, however, see it without supporting, economically, a person who, as far as i can tell, is a raging bigot from a family of raging bigots.
 
Originally posted by davefoc
Did you notice that the person who thought it was amazing that somebody would claim to really know what happened 2000 years ago and make a movie about it was also the person that claimed that he really knew what happened 3000 years ago and that this was some of his justification for the relocation of the native population of Palestine in 1948?
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C'mon now, nobody claims anyone was relocated because of a myth from 3000 years ago. The Arabs who were displaced in 1948 were displaced in war.
 
zenith-nadir said:
Now he and the studio will profit millions off the religious beliefs of people while they spread the gospel
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Dude, you shouldn't talk about the church that way.......oh....you said "studio" not "church". My bad.
 
Why shouldn't I see this movie, considering the fact that I am an agnostic/atheist?

I don't believe in UFO's and sentient beings from other worlds, but I liked "Aliens", "Predator", and "Star Wars"...
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You liked those movies as entertainment, right? A movie with this much hype about gore and graphic violence might not be considered particularly entertaining.
 
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EdipisReks said:


sure, you can see it without accepting the story as gospel. you can't, however, see it without supporting, economically, a person who, as far as i can tell, is a raging bigot from a family of raging bigots.
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Depends on the movie theatre. Many are arranged so that you could pay to see one movie, but see another.
 
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