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The Osama DNA thread

RedIbis said:
I hope any photos of a dead OBL are more convincing then when the gov't released its Flight 77 video.
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I rarely debate Pentagon CT theories as they tend to have the weakest claims. If its like the flight 77 video, I'd be happy enough.
 
little grey rabbit said:
I am just interested in the exact details of where Osama was genotyped, the time frame, the comparisions and why media organisations jumped the gun.

Place information here, as it comes to hand.
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I can see this saga overtaking and outlasting the JFK, moon landings and even 911 ct nuts. The bogeyman and his DNA will be a hoot for years to come. lol.

Those members of his family who denounce OBL and live abroad can confirm that DNA was taken from them to match his. Indeed, they have previously done so already. Members of his family that were inside the compound (his live wife and live 12 year old daughter) will also be confirming to the Pakistani authorities who the 6' 4" man they lived with was and how he died.

'Real time' footage of the mission has convinced those who need convincing that he was there and was shot dead, regardless of the whoooha about him being armed or not. lol. If he had been armed he would be riddled with brass/lead rather than just the reported two taps to the head (which is SOP and expected). Dead is dead........armed or not. lol.

The USA had the forthought to confirm with DNA. The smart thing to do to ensure that they wernt chasing a bogeyman forever. :rolleyes:

They have done that to the 99.9% clarity that DNA can produce.

They videoed and phoytographed his body in Afghanistan and at the burial site just before they gave him to the sharks. I hope they caught a feading frenzy too.

Edit- Forgot the facial recognition technology they are said to have used too. Save from stringing him up like a fishermans photo shoot with a shark I see no other form of identification required. Alas, truthers want to pull his beard, test his voice and shake his left hand to be convinced. Perhaps a scuba diving course somewhere in the middle east is on the cards, looking for a white sack and a few bricks. lol.

Yet something tells me that this will roll on and on and on. OBL will appear beside Elvis, Joplin and Mr Mojo Risin at a Wallmart near you very soon. lol.
 
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RedIbis said:
I hope any photos of a dead OBL are more convincing then when the gov't released its Flight 77 video.
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Oh cut the crap. If you idiot truthers were watching Bin Laden sucking on those slugs live you would been telling us that it was staged.
 
Mr.Herbert said:
Oh cut the crap. If you idiot truthers were watching Bin Laden sucking on those slugs live you would been telling us that it was staged.
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Ahhhhhh....you may have let the cat out the bag. Those elite Seal teams spent time practicing this mission on purpose built mock ups of the compound. They spent meticulous minutes, hours and days going through their urban attack routine and their house clearance routine. They spent time climbing the same wall over and over again. They spent time entering and re - entering the same room, window, door, time and time again. All whilst in the comfort of base bask across the pond. Probably since Aug 2010. Although SOP's, expected and not unusual, this will be percieved as the 'staged' event and what we are actually seeing.........if the 'real time' footage is ever released. Never a dull moment on the tinternet. What a hoot the bogeyman saga will become. Can't wait. lol.
 
Focus, kiddies, focus.

This thread is not whether Osama really was killed, it is not on photos. It is exclusively the DNA genotyping, location, timeline and relatives used for comparisions

I am just interested in the exact details of where Osama was genotyped, the time frame, the comparisions and why media organisations jumped the gun.
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New Scientist has some interesting details
The agency responsible for conducting the analysis is also unconfirmed: media reports have named both FBI and the CIA. Several sources suggested that DNA was subpoenaed from the body of a half-sister of bin Laden, when she reportedly died at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, but the hospital was unable to confirm the report. "There is no evidence she was even here," says spokesperson Sue McGreevey.

FBI special agent Greg Comcowich would not confirm or deny any investigative steps the FBI has taken. When asked whether the agency would release any further information on the DNA analysis, he replied: "Not that I'm aware of."
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http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20439-osama-bin-laden-how-dna-identified-his-body.html

Well, that clears everything up!
 
Again it comes down to a matter of just how important is LGR's incredulity in the grand scheme of things. Just how much does it matter if a little cult is satisfied?
 
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twinstead said:
Again it comes down to a matter of just how important is LGR's incredulity in the grand scheme of things. Just how much does it matter if a little cult is satisfied?
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What incredulity?

All I am asking is where the sodding test was done? Bagram? Carl Vinson? Why the defensiveness?
 
little grey rabbit said:
Focus, kiddies, focus.

This thread is not whether Osama really was killed, it is not on photos. It is exclusively the DNA genotyping, location, timeline and relatives used for comparisions



New Scientist has some interesting details


http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20439-osama-bin-laden-how-dna-identified-his-body.html

Well, that clears everything up!
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Ahhh the old chestnut of the unanswerableonlyanswerablebythosewhoknowbutwhydoyouneedtoknow question. Ya got me kid. JREF can't help ya. If OBL being dead isnt of relevence then discussing the timeline of his DNA becomes even less so. But crack on. Whatever swingles ya dangle. It's a hoot. lol.
 
little grey rabbit said:
What incredulity?

All I am asking is where the sodding test was done? Bagram? Carl Vinson? Why the defensiveness?
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Because all the details aren't in yet. They will be. And you will still not believe it because according to you OBL wasn't responsible for 9/11. That why the defensiveness.
 
little grey rabbit said:
What incredulity?

All I am asking is where the sodding test was done? Bagram? Carl Vinson? Why the defensiveness?
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Steady tiger. Ask an open ended and stupid question and all!

I would speculate that as soon as it was practicable to do so given the mission parameters. Getting the hell out of dodge was a priority. Getting out of Pakistan was probably the next priority. His DNA was probably taken from him within minutes of his body being taken from the helicopter, wherever that landed. Lets say 30mins after leaving the compound and landed in Bagram. Medics on standby in Bagram to take his blood and pass to the scientists doing the tests. Form an orderly queue to see the bogeyman first though.

Does that clear things up for ya? Simple really.

As to his family DNA. Do ya own research. It's out there and known. His living family members have confirmed.
 
little grey rabbit said:
I am just interested in the exact details of where Osama was genotyped, the time frame, the comparisions and why media organisations jumped the gun.

Place information here, as it comes to hand.
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good luck, you might find out. But some media indicated the CIA was involved. Maybe we will see how and if agencies are working together better.

Based on your delusion WTC 7 was CD, do you fear you may not be able to form a rational conclusion on this subject, or want reality? Why do you have fantasies on 911, and what conspiracy are you trying to make up on this issue?


From a very worthy news source we found the CIA modifed this product to be portable and extract UBLs genotype.

Genotype-o-Matic (CIA claims 99.9 percent accuracy with this very device, highly modified for DNA; seekrit noforn intel s-see-eye etc.)
 
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ladmo said:
I have a tendency to support your assessment of "Truthers". What I am not reading or hearing is skepticism about the abruptness in disposing of the body and the reasoning behind it. If we were so concerned about following Muslim tradition, the landscape of Iraq and Afghanistan would be littered with Muslim graves dug by US service men and women.
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You should listen more carefully or user a different news service.

CNN reported that he was buried at sea because having him buried on dry ground would create a place to make a shrine for him as a martyr.
He was buried according to Islamic traditions, a far cry from what was done to 3000 people on his behalf. Did OBL say a prayer for those victims, did any of his compatriots? I doubt it.

As for LGR's question; wait a few days, more info will likely be released. What is clear is athat a full DNA sequencing was not done or required. They compared only those parts of the DNA that are common to relatives of his. They combined this with facial recognition tech and conclude that it was him. Perhaps a more complete DNA sequence is being undertaken but that takes, IIRC, weeks.
 
From the files, the US also claimed to have DNA genotyped in Saddam Hussein in record time in a secret facility.

Fast-track DNA tests were used to confirm the identity of deposed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, after his capture by US forces on Saturday.

DNA profiling experts contacted by New Scientist are surprised at the speed of the results, but all agree such a rapid conclusion would be possible. "I have to say I'm quite impressed," says Alec Jeffreys at the University of Leicester, UK, who pioneered DNA profiling techniques. "The time scale is feasible."
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The experts also believe the tests are unlikely to have been conducted in the field, but at a laboratory in Iraq or a neighbouring country. "It sounds to me like they have a lab in Iraq," says Jeffreys.
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http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4481-fasttrack-dna-tests-confirm-saddams-identity.html

As far as I know we never heard anything more about this mysterious test. Not that it mattered since they had a living breathing Saddam Hussein to deal with. Which is why I don't think the fact I don't believe there are any secret genotyping facilities in Bagram, but it doesn't mean that the authorities aren't confident they had OBL's body.

If it has any significance it is just the culture of spin and anonymous briefings by intelligence officials who are quite happy to say any old thing.
 
btw, I am a huge Zappa fan.

We may be similar in our definition and only differ without a distinction. If someone does not have an opinion on this situation he/she is either disengaged with the entire bin laden background or the person has knowledge and just doesn't care. Skepticism needs a baseline... a person can be a skeptic while capturing additional information, in fact, that may be the ultimate approach.
 
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