Cont: The One Covid-19 Science and Medicine Thread Part 2

[Skeptic Ginger]

Has anyone posted the blood clots piece yet?

Pathologist found blood clots in ‘almost every organ’ during autopsies on COVID-19 patients

Pretty scary stuff.

 

[Steve]

Has anyone posted the blood clots piece yet?

Pathologist found blood clots in ‘almost every organ’ during autopsies on COVID-19 patients

Pretty scary stuff.

What about those who are perceived as recovered? Do they have a bunch of undetected clots that could wreak havoc at any time? Scary thought.

 

[The Atheist]

Just as well nobody trusts China on anything, because if this is true, then we definitely have a problem.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/world/china-embassy-warns-deadly-unknown-pneumonia

 

[The Atheist]

And just in case anyone thought it was only Americans who have a problem with wearing masks: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ollowing-attack-passengers-refused-wear-masks

 

[Ulf Nereng]

I've been seeing more of these stories about people being reinfected lately. This one about a woman who was first infected in march, took weeks to recover, and is now infected again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhyEBIpaIaM&t=934s

Is it reinfection, or could it be that the virus is able to "go into hiding" and re-emerge later, I wonder?

(The Peak Prosperity guy has some controversial opinions, such as that Hydroxychloroquine works, but is mostly sane, IMO!)

 

[Puppycow]

Has anyone posted the blood clots piece yet?

Pathologist found blood clots in ‘almost every organ’ during autopsies on COVID-19 patients

Pretty scary stuff.

What happens to dead bodies normally? Is it possible for blood clots to form after death?

 

[The Atheist]

Is it reinfection, or could it be that the virus is able to "go into hiding" and re-emerge later, I wonder?

I think it's not so much the virus is in hiding, but viral particles hang around and look like a reinfection.

Not unusual for viruses to shed for a long time after the symptoms are gone. Norovirus can shed for weeks after clearing up.

What happens to dead bodies normally? Is it possible for blood clots to form after death?

I'm pretty sure that's not possible, and the reason deceased had such a level of clots is that it seems most severe cases have extreme clotting.

 

[Puppycow]

I've been seeing more of these stories about people being reinfected lately. This one about a woman who was first infected in march, took weeks to recover, and is now infected again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhyEBIpaIaM&t=934s

Is it reinfection, or could it be that the virus is able to "go into hiding" and re-emerge later, I wonder?

(The Peak Prosperity guy has some controversial opinions, such as that Hydroxychloroquine works, but is mostly sane, IMO!)

I've seen this guy's videos before. He seems to be a rational person albeit with a few questionable ideas about nutrition and stuff like that. He spotted the fraudulent Lancet study on hydroxychloroquine (which was later retracted) and his video made me look into that more closely. I continue to take some things he says with a grain of salt but he is a rational person.

As far as this particular woman who has had SARS-COV-2 twice (allegedly) Did they say that this was confirmed with a PCR test each time? I'm watching the video and it doesn't seem to be mentioned that she has ever had a positive PCR test. Maybe because it's too obvious to mention but I want to make sure this isn't just a "self diagnosis" but a confirmed laboratory diagnosis.

 

[Lplus]

Has anyone posted the blood clots piece yet?

Pathologist found blood clots in ‘almost every organ’ during autopsies on COVID-19 patients

Pretty scary stuff.

I can't get that link in the UK but I've seen the same headline in the last couple of weeks over here.

There's this about blood clots https://www.jpost.com/health-scienc...-the-cause-of-fatal-corona-blood-clots-631681

I also found something about blood damage 3 months ago, but it didn't have a list of scientists a yard long attached so I didn't really take a lot of notice. Different theory though. https://underdogsbiteupwards.wordpress.com/2020/04/08/a-new-theory/

 

[Aridas]

And are we sure about this "kids aren't spreading it, open the schools" assertion?

I've replied to this over in the COVID politics thread.

 

[Bob001]

A study finds evidence that the TB vaccine may enhance general immunity and reduce covid mortality.

Researchers found that countries where many people have been given the vaccine have had less mortality from Covid-19.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...s-study-suggests/ar-BB16ASLK?ocid=mailsignout

Also relevant:

Other researchers have suggested that vaccines for polio and measles, mumps and rubella, may provide similar protections against lethal infections, including coronavirus.

Older people are less likely to have had those childhood vaccinations. I wonder if that could be a factor in the increased covid mortality associated with the elderly.

 

[marting]

Surprising lack of quality data on children/school spread. Many missed opportunities to get that data so biases are driving decisions.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...t-ways-keep-coronavirus-bay-despite-outbreaks

 

[Steve]

A study finds evidence that the TB vaccine may enhance general immunity and reduce covid mortality.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...s-study-suggests/ar-BB16ASLK?ocid=mailsignout

Also relevant:


Older people are less likely to have had those childhood vaccinations. I wonder if that could be a factor in the increased covid mortality associated with the elderly.

I am 66. Does that qualify as “older” re your comment?

I had the polio vaccine as a child. I did not have MMR vaccine but I did have the actual diseases, following which I have life-long immunity from each. So are you speculating that it is specifically having the vaccine that may help, or could it be the immunity regardless of how obtained, that could be a factor?

 

[zooterkin]

A study finds evidence that the TB vaccine may enhance general immunity and reduce covid mortality.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...s-study-suggests/ar-BB16ASLK?ocid=mailsignout

Also relevant:


Older people are less likely to have had those childhood vaccinations. I wonder if that could be a factor in the increased covid mortality associated with the elderly.

This was mentioned in one of the threads here a little while ago (possibly the Territory Anomaly thread). The UK used to have universal BCG vaccinations for teenagers, for many decades, but stopped a dozen or so years ago, IIRC. Not sure if the mortality figures reflect that, though. My mum had the vaccination well before it was universal, more than 70 years ago.

 

[Bob001]

I am 66. Does that qualify as “older” re your comment?

I had the polio vaccine as a child. I did not have MMR vaccine but I did have the actual diseases, following which I have life-long immunity from each. So are you speculating that it is specifically having the vaccine that may help, or could it be the immunity regardless of how obtained, that could be a factor?

I'm not qualified to have an opinion. I note that the article referred specifically to people who have had those vaccines, not to people who have had the diseases themselves. I don't know whether the mechanisms that create immunity as a result of vaccination are the same as or different from the mechanisms that create immunity as a result of disease.

And the MMR isn't/wasn't generally given to people born before 1957, so "old" for this purpose would be about 63.

Anyone born before 1957 is generally considered immune.

https://www.drugs.com/cg/mmr-vaccine-for-adults.html

 

[Ulf Nereng]

I've seen this guy's videos before. He seems to be a rational person albeit with a few questionable ideas about nutrition and stuff like that. He spotted the fraudulent Lancet study on hydroxychloroquine (which was later retracted) and his video made me look into that more closely. I continue to take some things he says with a grain of salt but he is a rational person.

As far as this particular woman who has had SARS-COV-2 twice (allegedly) Did they say that this was confirmed with a PCR test each time? I'm watching the video and it doesn't seem to be mentioned that she has ever had a positive PCR test. Maybe because it's too obvious to mention but I want to make sure this isn't just a "self diagnosis" but a confirmed laboratory diagnosis.

Reading the comments section makes it clear that many think this is a go-fund-me scam by the husband and wife.

Good catch, Puppycow!

 

[Steve]

I'm not qualified to have an opinion. I note that the article referred specifically to people who have had those vaccines, not to people who have had the diseases themselves. I don't know whether the mechanisms that create immunity as a result of vaccination are the same as or different from the mechanisms that create immunity as a result of disease.

And the MMR isn't/wasn't generally given to people born before 1957, so "old" for this purpose would be about 63.

https://www.drugs.com/cg/mmr-vaccine-for-adults.html

Perhaps I owe you an apology. I took your comment re MMR to be your own opinion rather than a restate of the article. I have no issue with anything you have written but I am still curious about the details I posted.

 

[Blue Mountain]

Just as well nobody trusts China on anything, because if this is true, then we definitely have a problem.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/world/china-embassy-warns-deadly-unknown-pneumonia

And just in case anyone thought it was only Americans who have a problem with wearing masks: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ollowing-attack-passengers-refused-wear-masks

China embassy warns of deadly 'unknown pneumonia' [Otago Daily Times]

French bus driver dies following attack by passengers who refused to wear masks [The Guardian]

I fixed the links for you. Please see The campaign for good linking. Please do not post raw links with no context or hint as to what they're about.

 

[Blue Mountain]

Surprising lack of quality data on children/school spread. Many missed opportunities to get that data so biases are driving decisions.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...t-ways-keep-coronavirus-bay-despite-outbreaks

School openings across globe suggest ways to keep coronavirus at bay, despite outbreaks [sciencemag.org]

I fixed the link for you. Please see The campaign for good linking. Please do not post raw links without including the headline or page title, or without quoting something relevant from the article's text.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I've been seeing more of these stories about people being reinfected lately. This one about a woman who was first infected in march, took weeks to recover, and is now infected again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhyEBIpaIaM&t=934s

Is it reinfection, or could it be that the virus is able to "go into hiding" and re-emerge later, I wonder?

(The Peak Prosperity guy has some controversial opinions, such as that Hydroxychloroquine works, but is mostly sane, IMO!)

The video won't play but regardless, it sounds like it's going to be a single anecdotal report. Got any links to multiple cases?