Merged The "official story" meme.

[LSSBB]

"Drunken place-kicker Ray Bolger"?

[qimg]http://grimmerie.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/1939-scarecrow.jpg?w=180&h=135[/qimg]

See, that's what I meant by a scorecrow!

 

[Clayton Moore]

As far as you know the U.S. government has never acknowledged wrong doing, because you haven't even bothered to look. Here are two easy to find ones right away:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3945632...th/t/us-apologizes-guatemala-std-experiments/

and even better:

http://www.alohaquest.com/archive/apology_full.htm

I especially recommend you read that last one. Its also an apology for overthrowing another government.

Clearly the wrong doing I was talking about was lying to the American public.

Try and keep up.

 

[The Platypus]

Clearly the wrong doing I was talking about was lying to the American public.

Try and keep up.

Wow... everything just goes right over your head and you are telling someone else to keep up....

This is suppposed to make us all follow your cult? Slow down there Beavis...

 

[Dave Rogers]

Clearly the wrong doing I was talking about was lying to the American public.

It's OK, so few of them are listening to you that lying to them isn't all that wrong.

Hang on, did you mean someone else was lying too?

Dave

 

[LSSBB]

Clearly the wrong doing I was talking about was lying to the American public.

Try and keep up.

Taking your comments at face value, chum.

How about this one then:

http://clinton4.nara.gov/textonly/New/Remarks/Fri/19970516-898.html

 

[twinstead]

maybe Clayton should grace us with his explanation as to what makes the "official story" the "official" story?

 

[The Platypus]

Inquiring minds want to know...

 

[triforcharity]

I wish the Government would declare officially that the Government always lies. This should make minds like Clayton's explode.

Awesome!! I literally spit my soda onto the screen of my laptop.

 

[Robrob]

Clearly the wrong doing I was talking about was lying to the American public.

Try and keep up.

Clearly not since you have (consistently) failed in providing a shred of evidence to support your claims.

 

[Clayton Moore]

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/lieofthecentury.php

Official story lies told to the world to justify military action against Iraq.

Powell claimed that Iraq had four tons of VX nerve gas. The UN had already confirmed that it was destroyed. The only VX ever found were samples the US had left as "standards" for testing. When the UN suspected that the US samples had been used to contaminate Iraqi warheads, the US moved quickly to destroy the samples before comparison tests could be carried out.

Powell claimed that Iraq was building long-range remote drones specifically designed to carry biological weapons. The only drones found were short-range reconnaissance drones.

Powell claimed that Iraq had an aggregate of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical and biological warfare agents. Powell gave no basis for that claim at all, and a DIA report issued the same time directly contradicted the claim. No biological or chemical weapons were found in Iraq following the invasion.

Powell claimed that "unnamed sources" confirmed that Saddam had authorized his field commanders to use biological weapons. No such weapons were ever used by the Iraqis to defend against the invasion and, of course, none were ever found in Iraq.

Powell claimed that 122mm warheads found by the UN inspectors were chemical weapons. The warheads were empty, and showed no signs of ever having contained chemical weapons.

Powell claimed that Iraq had a secret force of illegal long-range Scud missiles. None were ever found.

Powell claimed to have an audio tape proving that Saddam was supporting Osama Bin Laden. But independent translation of the tape revealed Osama's wish for Saddam's death.
Colin Powell's UN debacle also included spy photos taken from high flying aircraft and spacecraft. On the photos were circles and arrows and labels pointing to various fuzzy white blobs and identifying them as laboratories and storage areas for Saddam's massive weapons of mass destruction program. Nothing in the photos actually suggested what the blobby shapes were and during inspections which followed the invasion, all of them turned out to be rather benign.

In at least one case, the satellite Powell claimed had taken one of the pictures had actually been out of operation at the time. And many questioned why Powell was showing black and white photos when the satellites in use at the time over Iraq took color images.

Osama bin Laden's "Mountain Fortress", shown to the US public by the corporate media, and like Saddam's nuclear weapons, never actually existed.

 

[fuelair]

So if what happened is an "official story", would conspiracy theories be the "unofficial stories"?

close - although most of us would tend to refer to them as "idiot lies" OR "evidence of an inability to apply actual science/engineering knowledge and expertise to the real world situation you are talking about".
Here, this applies to the following (not a complete list): Aircraft construction, collision physics, explosives physics, fire/heat/thermodynamics, wiring a building for demolition and matching said demolition to the aftermath of an aircraft hitting said bulding, the physics involved in the components of a building falling including, but not limited to variable levels of failure of structural parts, air pressure differential effects on speed of descent of various parts , etc. (as it relates to the 9/11 conspiracy nuts).

 

[LSSBB]

Official story lies told to the world to justify military action against Iraq.

Osama bin Laden's "Mountain Fortress", shown to the US public by the corporate media, and like Saddam's nuclear weapons, never actually existed.

Putting aside the verification of the WMD statements per se, I will say that no one I know of is disputing that the government lies. I don't see a tie between that and 9/11 for that matter. The fact that the WMD statements are brought up as part of the "official story" shows how the use of that term paints too wide a brush for it to be used to label opponents of those convinced there is a government conspiracy concerning 9/11. You can disbelieve there was a conspiracy concerning 9/11 and still not believe the government is always truthful, especially concerning matters surrounding the Iraq war, or in their conduct in Afghanistan (the Pat Tillman case, for example).

As far as your Bin Laden cave, here is another cave just as relevant to the discussion at hand, which has the benefit of me being able to attribute the source (DC Comics):

 

[The Platypus]

If the "official story" isn't the deceptive game it appears to be, why can't any CTer explain it instead of all this dodging around, like I have hit a nerve.

This happens everytime CTers are asked questions that they don't like the answer too.

 

[The Platypus]

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/lieofthecentury.php

Official story lies told to the world to justify military action against Iraq.

But,

I thought this "official story" was pertaining to what happened on 9/11, now all of a sudden, the term is enveloping a completely different situation, the Iraq war.

Instead of proving us wrong, you just keep giving further evidence of the deceptive intentions behind the coining and obsessive use of the term by 9/11 CTers.

Plus you post info from a 9/11 CTers website, as always. It says alot when the ones who only accept info from their within cult are pointing that finger at everyone else with this "official story" nonsense.

 

[Zeuzzz]

As far as your Bin Laden cave, here is another cave just as relevant to the discussion at hand, which has the benefit of me being able to attribute the source (DC Comics):


[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_533314ec3d1e08e0f1.jpg[/qimg]

Why do you say this?

I'm pretty sure batman was filming for his new film when 9/11 happened to be honest, so we should be able to rule him out.

 

[The Platypus]

Why do you say this?

I'm pretty sure batman was filming for his new film when 9/11 happened to be honest, so we should be able to rule him out.

Sure sure, he was filming for his new film, that's the "official" story told by the media...

Wanna by a Rolex?

 

[Zeuzzz]

[qimg]http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/originalfortress-hoopa.jpg[/qimg]
Osama bin Laden's "Mountain Fortress", shown to the US public by the corporate media, and like Saddam's nuclear weapons, never actually existed.

Is that just an artists sketch of what it might have looked like or is it based on intelligence or something?

 

[Robrob]

Official story lies told to the world to justify military action against Iraq.

Truther 101, when debunked change the subject.

Iraq didn't have anything to do with 9/11.

Your point?

 

[Clayton Moore]

Is that just an artists sketch of what it might have looked like or is it based on intelligence or something?

The point is that it was nonsense that only a public imprinted with James Bond villains would believe.

It was conceived by the government and delivered by a media that knew it was BS.

It doesn't matter its source. It wasn't true but it served its purpose.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Truther 101, when debunked change the subject.

Iraq didn't have anything to do with 9/11.

Your point?

You're absolutely correct. 9/11 was critical to the neocon intention for Iraq.