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Mr Manifesto

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Please try not to be a smart alec when answering this poll (I don't mean the people who answer Planet X- that's legit- I'm talking about people who've never heard of the Oxford English Dictionary until this thread answering that they've heard of it... in this thread!!! (boom! tish!)). This is a very serious question. Until now, have you ever heard of the Oxford English Dictonary? I have differentiated between Poms and Non-Poms to allow for the possbility that some may not have heard of the dictionary due to the miles of vast seas it has to cross, with dictionary pirates along the way.

Why do a poll like this? It was in response to this comment"

Never heard of, or seen an Oxford dictionary. Been a book worm all my life. It may have more to do with the number of copies published in this country.

You don't get extra points for owning a copy, BTW, it's just all part of the straw-poll. Thank you kindly for your attention, and sorry if I sounded a little short in this introductory post, but this straw poll is so vitally important to my straw-poll firm I work for.
 
I said that I own it, but that may be a little misleading. Apart from 'the' OED (that is, the full 20 volume set), there is the Shorter, the Concise, and several other versions. I have a Shorter, a Concise, and a concise encyclopaedic.

I also have a Chambers concise, which some consider essential for crosswords and the like, but its lack of etymology lets it down badly.

Cheers,
Rat.
 
I think I qualify as owning it. I don't remember what it's called (alas, it has to be in storage for the time being), but it's in two big volumes printed in almost microscopic print on thin paper. It comes with its own magnifying glass in a little drawer so that you almost have a chance of reading it. It's about 20 years old and contains the text of the complete OED as of then. I don't know if that version is still in print.
 
I hear about it all the time (since I read the Word Detective and World Wide Words), but I've never seen it. At school we used the Oxford Advanced Learners Dictionary, and now I mostly use my Websters Unabridged Encyclopedic Dictionary, which I bought because it was huge and dirt cheap, or free online services like www.m-w.com and www.dictionary.com.
 
I have OED2 on CD. It's the daddy, as somebody on another thread put it. Here is the entry for Pommy:

Pommy (gp#m=), n. (a.) Austral. and N.Z. colloq. Also Pommie and with lower-case initial.
[Origin obscure.]
A. n. A derogatory term for an immigrant from the United Kingdom; an Englishman or Englishwoman, a Briton.
B. attrib. or as adj. Of or pertaining to a Pommy; British, English, spec. (often as a term of affectionate abuse) in Pommy bastard. Cf. Pom2.
The most widely held derivation of this term, for which, however, there is no firm evidence, is that which connects it with pomegranate (see quots. 1923, 1963). A discussion of this and of other theories may be found in W. S. Ramson Australian English (1966) 63.
1915 in B. Gammage Broken Years (1974) 86 We call the Regulars---Indians and Australians---_British'---but Pommies are nondescript.
1916 in Ibid. 240 They're only a b---- lot of Pommie Jackeroos and just as hopeless.
1916 Anzac Bk. 31 A Pommy can't go wrong out there if he isn't too lazy to work.
1920 D. O'Reilly in Murdoch & Drake-Brockman Austral. Short Stories (1951) 144 The _Pommy' parson made good, as a good man always will.
1923 D. H. Lawrence Kangaroo vii. 162 Pommy is supposed to be short for pomegranate. Pomegranate, pronounced invariably pommygranate, is a near enough rhyme to immigrant, in a naturally rhyming country. Furthermore, immigrants are known in their first months, before their blood _thins down', by their round and ruddy cheeks. So we are told.
Ibid. 164 In this way Mr Somers had to take himself to task, for his Pommy stupidity.
1926 Galsworthy Silver Spoon ii. iv. 137 They call us Pommies and treat us as if we'd took a liberty in coming to their blooming country.
1933 _P. Cadey' Broken Pattern xii. 130 _You should have heard the English accent!' _Pommy gab, eh?' commented his mate.
1938 N. Marsh Artists in Crime ix. 128 She was always shooting off her mouth about the way the Aussies don't know a good thing when they see it. These pommies! She gave me the jitters.
1946 B. James in Coast to Coast 1945 63 He was an Englishman, not a _pommy', mind you. It seemed he hadn't even reached to that dignity.
1947 B. Mason in D. M. Davin N.Z. Short Stories (1953) 333 What time we had left was spent on fruitless errands for the Pommie matelots.
1949 F. Sargeson I saw in my Dream ii. xiii. 118 Look at Wally's ma---she got over her Pommy ways.
1951 D. Stivens Jimmy Brockett 214 Like most of these pommy bastards, he had funny ways but he wasn't a bad old bloke at heart.
1957 New Scientist 23 May 13/3 There is_an elusive background of strangeness, imbued with an element of timelessness, which comes home to the sensitive _new chum', or _pommy', only after he has lived for a while in this new-old southern continent.
1962 J. Frame Edge of Alphabet vii. 47 Look at the foreigners flooding the country on every immigrant ship, la-di-da Pommies and all.
1963 X. Herbert Disturbing Element vi. 91 He still wore the heavy clumsy British type of clothing of the day [before 1914]. When we kids saw people on the street dressed like that we would yell at them: _Jimmygrants, Pommygranates, Pommies!'
1966 R. D. Eagleson in Southerly XXVI. 200 Lest British readers should be misled, pommy is frequently pejorative.
1974 P. McCutchan Call for Simon Shard iv. 36 I'm Australian born and bred, not a pommie immigrant._ Now, grand-dad, 'e was a pommie bastard!
1975 Times 27 Aug 10/8 Colin Shaw_has just sent Ernest Whitehouse an explanation of how God came to be described in the television programme Beneath the News as a _Pommy bastard'._ Shaw adds that _Pommy bastard' is an _affectionate colloquialism' in Australia.
1979 Guardian 31 Oct. 3/2 British Leyland reacted angrily_to antipodean _pommy-bashing' about the quality of buses.
Hence
_Pommyland, Britain, England.
1957 R. Stow Bystander 21 I'm a Pommy. And going back to Pommy-land, after twenty-four years.
1967 F. Hardy Billy Borker yarns Again 61 Sir Robert himself wanted to be a whiskey-taster at the Melbourne show, but ended up as some kind of wharfie over in Pommy Land.
1973 Times 12 Oct. 15/7 An adaptation of Barry Humphries's cult strip cartoon about the life of darkest Pommie-land seen through the eyes of an antipodean innocent.
1979 M. Kaufman Container iii. 31, I suppose you'll head off back to Pommyland now?
 
As a word slut, I of course have heard of the OED. And last year for my birthday, a friend gave me the compact version - one volume in very, very tiny print. I adore it. It's my most prized possesion (and maybe my most expensive?)
My friend has the whole expanded version. I think it's 10 volumes.
Randi has the compact in two volumes.

It's the authority.
 
{aside}
An apocryphal derivation of the word "pommy" doing the rounds here is that it came from the letters emblazoned on transported convict clothes (alongside the convict broad arrow emblem): P.O.H.M. Standing for "Prisoner of Her Majesty" (namely, Queen Victoria). That would have dated it before the mid-1850's, when the last convict ships arrived here. The term was supposed to be used to distinguish newly-arrived English convicts from the native Australians (also known as "currency lads").

Historians and lexicographers will, no doubt, correct me...
{/aside}
 
I've got the "Shorter" version. That is a two-volume set with over half-a-million definitions.

It's gorgeous - but lethal to pick up if you have work to do, because you'll be there for hours flicking through it :D

Edited to add: I'd really love the full OED, but have neither the sponduliks nor the shelf space. (Somehow the CD version doesn't have the same appeal)
 
El Greco said:
Is this the one you have ? Is the software interface as inadequate as described by the reviewers ?
I have the old version. I got it when I lived abroad so that would be around 94-95. It has the old Win 3.1 style interface which looks very dated now but it will run straight off the CD.

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ratcomp1974 said:
I said that I own it, but that may be a little misleading. Apart from 'the' OED (that is, the full 20 volume set), there is the Shorter, the Concise, and several other versions. I have a Shorter, a Concise, and a concise encyclopaedic.

I also have a Chambers concise, which some consider essential for crosswords and the like, but its lack of etymology lets it down badly.

Cheers,
Rat.

Well, I consider that I own it, and I have the 'shorter' (the big-@$$ two-volume set). I also have a concise Chambers. So it's time to get the big d!ck swinging into action.

Do you have Fowler's Guide to Modern English and "The King's English" by Kingsley Amis? Huh? Do ya, punk? BRING IT ON!
 
I voted: Not from UK (duh) use and own. It is not entirely true, what I have is the ALD (Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary), still...........

Hans
 
I have the same edition epepke does. A freebie from the Book of the Month club years ago. We use it a few times a year.
 
When I was at the ol' University, we could access it online - it was totally sweet, and I thought the fun would never end. Then I left, and I have no more OED access (yes, yes, the library).

Maybe I should Kazaa for it. That would be pretty neat.
 
MRC_Hans said:
I voted: Not from UK (duh) use and own. It is not entirely true, what I have is the ALD (Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary), still...........

Hans

I have the ALD, too, but it's are barely a comparision to the OED, which I don't own yet but have access to.
 
Hmmm... I have the Shorter OED and half a dozen of other Oxford dictionaries. I also have a few Webster, Cambridge, Longman in different sizes and scopes. I have 3 or 4 dictionaries in CD-ROMs. Those are the ones in English. Don't get me started on those in Portuguese, French and Spanish. German and Italian I only have one dictionary each. A Russian dictionary & grammar book. Wait, grammar books are another story... :)
 
I suggest you heed the example of the three little pigs and build your pole out of sturdier stuff.
 

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