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Cosmic Yak said:
I think the argument is that because natural things exist, therefore supernatural things also exist.
Also, not just any old supernatural things, but only the special ones that I believe in.
That anyone can sustain this kind of thinking in this day and age is, in itself, a miracle.
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Belz... said:
BREAKING: old book mentions natural phenomena, proves existence of the supernatural.
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You're welcome.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
[Quran 17.12] We have made the night and the day two wonders. We erased the wonder of the night, and made the wonder of the day revealing...
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Dawn. Happens every day, to everyone. You've apparently run out of extraordinary natural phenomena and are now trying to get applause for the ordinary and routine.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
You didn't talk like that when we give the verses that mention the black holes, the pulsars, the Big Crunch...
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How about the voice activated door miracle in the Ali Baba story?

We don't see the like of it in Quran.

I can write you one miracle everyday from the Arabian nights books for the next 20 years.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
You didn't talk like that when we give the verses that mention the black holes, the pulsars, the Big Crunch...
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Can you give any examples of historical Muslim scholars who posited the existence of pulsars or black holes based on this reading of the Quran, as opposed to apologists like you retrospectively twisting the verses so they appear to predict modern scientific discoveries?
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Come to mention it, can you give any examples at all of scientific discoveries made solely by reading the Quran, without using the usual scientific methodology?
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For example, in my Turkish article I wrote that the stars are shooting from light/flame:

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2016/05/goklerevrenler.html

And then it was discovered:

https://www.upi.com/Science_News/20...ing-cannonballs-into-space/9071475783632/ph2/

I also wrote years ago that the objects could be made invisible.
 
I'm constantly amazed threads like this go for 26 pages and counting.

Some guy thinks religous text is literal. Good for you.

Does anyone honestly think they can talk reason to a person like this? I ask this genuinely. Has anybody actually made a bibel/qaran literalist give up their beliefs through reasonable debate?
 
philkensebben said:
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Does anyone honestly think they can talk reason to a person like this? I ask this genuinely. Has anybody actually made a bibel/qaran literalist give up their beliefs through reasonable debate?
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I have no interest in changing anyones mind or of convincing anyone of anything1. The OP has her/his agenda and she/he blithers on oblivious and it's sort of fun to watch. I follow the thread partly to watch the OP in a train wreck of their own making and partly to try and make sense of how people can distort reality so drastically.


1I also don't think it's really possible to change anyones mind unless the person wants to.
 
philkensebben said:
I'm constantly amazed threads like this go for 26 pages and counting.

Some guy thinks religous text is literal. Good for you.

Does anyone honestly think they can talk reason to a person like this? I ask this genuinely. Has anybody actually made a bibel/qaran literalist give up their beliefs through reasonable debate?
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I think it has happened but only if the Bible/Quran literalist has the ability to reason.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
For example, in my Turkish article I wrote that the stars are shooting from light/flame:

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2016/05/goklerevrenler.html

And then it was discovered:

https://www.upi.com/Science_News/20...ing-cannonballs-into-space/9071475783632/ph2/

I also wrote years ago that the objects could be made invisible.
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So not plasma, then.
Vague statements about "light/flame" do not count as science. Science is a little more precise than that. Double fail.
Can you give us a translation of your article, just so we can see what you said?
 
Cosmic Yak said:
So not plasma, then.
Vague statements about "light/flame" do not count as science. Science is a little more precise than that. Double fail.
Can you give us a translation of your article, just so we can see what you said?
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I tried Google Translate. The results were unintelligible. I suspect this means it was an accurate translation.
 
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