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Too bad "a planet" and "the earth" in the Quran is not the same thing. Planets are just errant stars that emit their own light (because the inventors of the Quran didn't know they reflect the Sun's, and their apologists continue to ignore that simple fact). Besides the fact there's no chlorophyll in Mercury, Mars, Venus, Jupiter and Saturn.

The """miracle""" would have been the Quran saying those planets were like the Earth (what was known before the Quran was written) and all of them rotate around the Sun (what was speculated upon before the Quran was written).

So Emre, in his infinite infantile naïveté, once again felt for hogwash made just because there is Patreon, there are rich Arab sheiks which consider promoting Islam a worth cause and there is some money to be gotten. Certainly, the latter caught the attention of some British merchants and people needed for a job that pays well.


How fool of Emre bringing this nonsensical piece of ... something here.
 
The mental gymnastics some people are prepared to go through in order to cling to manifestly absurd beliefs in which they are emotionally invested never ceases to amaze me.
 
Let me see, God's light is like a lamp with a mirror, just "like a radiant planet, which is lit from a blessed olive tree that is neither of the east nor of the west". It appears to me that the Quran tells us that this planet is lit by an olive tree, which is a very strange idea indeed.

What does it mean that the tree is neither of the east nor of the west? Doesn't that mean that this is a special olive tree, a tree blessed with the light giving ability, and not just any olive tree?

I have always been astounded by how religious believers are taken in by stuff like this.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
Virgin olive oil emits light with fluorescent feature

Yes olive oil is the most potent fluorescent food and emits light. Of course, the display of this light has just been realized with today's technology.

The Quran gave this information 1400 years ago:

24:35 God is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The example of His light is like a concave mirror within a lamp, the lamp is within a glass, the glass is like a radiant planet, which is lit from a blessed olive tree that is neither of the east nor of the west, its oil nearly radiates light even if not touched by fire. Light upon light. God guides to His light those whom He pleases. God sets forth parables for mankind; God is aware of all things.

The miracle of the Quran attracted the attention of the British and they made a nice video on the subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqL...0utouCnstqx0C7vB7thNkc86YjXQjsxqgusW-ar1_VBv0
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People notice things around them so that means god?
 
Actually, here's a more relevant thought: it being a simile, it only works if the audience is already aware of the thing you compare something to. "X is like Y" only works if everyone in the audience is already aware of the relevant property of Y.

E.g., if I say that "nuns in their habits are like penguins" only works if people already know what a penguin looks like. It doesn't work at all if I say, for example, "nuns in their habits are like xnorgs", and nobody has a clue wth a xnorg even is.

Similarly, IF Allah in his wisdom thought the best simile there is olive oil being fluorescent, that means that he expected the audience to be very aware of that already. Which isn't suurprising, considering how much of it passed through the trade networks there.
 
But I don't think that that's what it says there, and for that matter, neither do most islamic scholars.

http://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=24&verse=35&to=36

And the keyword there is "nearly", "nigh" or basically "almost". If you want to say that oil does emit light, you just say it does, not that it ALMOST does.

What the prophet (pbuh and all that) gets sidetracked into there is exactly how perfect quality that oil is. (You can tell it was a trader culture, really:p) Olive oil is there because it's the best lighting fuel at the time, but everyone was aware that not all are equally refined and thus not all burn as well or as brightly, so he goes on for a while about how perfectly grown and combustible that oil is. It ALMOST self-ignites before even being touched by fire.

Anyway, if you also look at the previous line, the message there isn't about the oil, but about how Allah is the (perfect) light of the universe, and how the stained glass between us and him is because otherwise that bright light would blind us. The oil isn't the important part there even according to virtually all islamic scholars. The keys there are the lamp, the enclosure and the glass shade. Going on about the oil is nothing more than getting a bit too sidetracked into poetically describing how bright the light is.

Edit: and here's an extra thought. The message there is that Allah IS the light, not that he passes on a slight bit of some other light. Olive oil doesn't emit light by itself. It needs ultraviolet light to fluoresce, and only converts a fraction of incoming UV light into the visible spectrum. It would be a bloody stupid metaphor for Allah, since it would imply that instead of BEING the light, he just converts a slight bit of some other light into stuff that we see. So if God is real, then he'd know that, and not leave some message in there that will say "I'm not the real source of light" in about 1500 years.
 
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Emre_1974tr said:
Virgin olive oil emits light with fluorescent feature

Yes olive oil is the most potent fluorescent food and emits light. Of course, the display of this light has just been realized with today's technology.

The Quran gave this information 1400 years ago:

24:35 God is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The example of His light is like a concave mirror within a lamp, the lamp is within a glass, the glass is like a radiant planet, which is lit from a blessed olive tree that is neither of the east nor of the west, its oil nearly radiates light even if not touched by fire. Light upon light. God guides to His light those whom He pleases. God sets forth parables for mankind; God is aware of all things.

The miracle of the Quran attracted the attention of the British and they made a nice video on the subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqL...0utouCnstqx0C7vB7thNkc86YjXQjsxqgusW-ar1_VBv0
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Where is the substance that has the fluorescent feature in the verse that presents this miracle?

Inside the lamp...

It's a fluorescent lamp.

This indicates that the fluorescent lamp was reported 1400 years ago.

Even with the detail of the not fire touching.

Greetings and Love
 
ALMOST, buddy. ALMOST. Unless you remove that word, no, you don't have a fluorescent lamp. Or are you now so high and mighty as to correct the wording of Allah, as transmitted by the archangel Gabriel to the Prophet?

Edit: plus, if you're making the lamp fluoresce from the olive oil alone, you change the analogy for Allah from a very bright light that does need that screen, to a "light" that is imperceptible, only works if you expose it to a different light, and pretty much leaves the room in darkness anyway, but doubly so when a screen is added in between. Congrats, from the light (i.e., source of knowledge) of the universe, you made Allah something that leaves everyone in the dark, and can only translate to us a tiny fraction of the light (i.e., wisdom) of some other source. Frankly, even as an antitheist, I couldn't come up with more snark about Allah than you're doing by mangling that analogy. Congrats.

You're doing a Poe, or what?
 
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HansMustermann said:
ALMOST, buddy. ALMOST. Unless you remove that word, no, you don't have a fluorescent lamp. Or are you now so high and mighty as to correct the wording of Allah, as transmitted by the archangel Gabriel to the Prophet?

Edit: plus, if you're making the lamp fluoresce from the olive oil alone, you change the analogy for Allah from a very bright light that does need that screen, to a "light" that is imperceptible, only works if you expose it to a different light, and pretty much leaves the room in darkness anyway, but doubly so when a screen is added in between. Congrats, from the light (i.e., source of knowledge) of the universe, you made Allah something that leaves everyone in the dark, and can only translate to us a tiny fraction of the light (i.e., wisdom) of some other source. Frankly, even as an antitheist, I couldn't come up with more snark about Allah than you're doing by mangling that analogy. Congrats.

You're doing a Poe, or what?
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Sounds to me like he’s claiming Allah is an impotent entity of no value beyond being a minor curiosity. It’s a bizarre assertion for an alleged Muslim to be seen making but there it is.
 
The miracle of the Quran attracted the attention of the British...
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No, it didn't "attract the attention of the British" at all. This is a well-known phenomenon from centuries ago and in many parts of the world. Even the Polynesians knew of it more than a thousand years ago when they started navigating the Pacific Ocean. Your YouTube video was made by an apologist for Islam. I've seen almost the same thing used as apologia for Christianity. They both try to connect some interesting but known phenomenon to their chosen scriptures, and fail badly. It's like saying "Look! Hardware stores are selling nails now! Nails are mentioned in the Quran AND the Bible, so they must have been predictions of nails BY GOD!"
 
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Emre_1974tr said:
Where is the substance that has the fluorescent feature in the verse that presents this miracle?

Inside the lamp...

It's a fluorescent lamp.

This indicates that the fluorescent lamp was reported 1400 years ago.

Even with the detail of the not fire touching.

Greetings and Love
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If you did care showing where the Quran uses "fluorescent"...

If that were the case, the god depicted in the Quran would be a puny, indecisive creature that only can give back a small fraction of the energy it receives from others.

You'd do better abandoning your ridiculous claim around "fluorescence" and start using "luminescence" instead, to be less inaccurate.

Wow, what a deep "god" inspired author wrote that sura knowing that olive oil was the fuel of lamps in those times and if you bring a bowl of it from direct sunlight into the total darkness of a cave you will see the oil "glowing" owing to its natural properties.



Each time you come back to pile up more "evidence" you don't provide evidence there's one deity but many naïve fellows.


Greetings and let, of all the saints, Saint Muhammad inspire you to finally see the light.
 
halleyscomet said:
Sounds to me like he’s claiming Allah is an impotent entity of no value beyond being a minor curiosity. It’s a bizarre assertion for an alleged Muslim to be seen making but there it is.
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I still hold on to the hope that it might be a Poe, though. I mean, even his quoting himself and being the only one marveling at his own smarts, kinda fits the Sura he cited.

I mean, up to that point, every other paragraph or so, Allah has to tell how wise he is and how he brings wisdom to the people... on matters such as needing witnesses to get someone tried for adultery. No, really, that's the subject matter up to that point. And people TOTALLY wouldn't have figured needing witnesses without Allah enlightening them on that topic, even if he does have to say so himself :p

And the lamp stuff is just the continuation of such a self-aggrandizing paragraph. That's why I mentioned before that you have to look at the previous verse too.

Because that's what it is. Allah starts yet another such a self-fellating exercise about how wise he is and brings wisdom to the people. Then instead of keeping it one paragraph like the previous half a dozen self praises in that sura alone, it overflows into a new paragraph in which he likens himself to a bright lamp, and goes into the exact place of origin and quality of the oil in it. You almost expect it to continue into exactly how many shekels per pound that oil costs, and how much discount you get if you buy it in bulk :p

But anyway, yeah, you said it. It seems very strange that a proponent of Islam would miss the whole point of the metaphor, but manage to make Allah a source of wisdom on par with Homer Simpson or Peter Griffin, by likening him to a uselessly dim light.

It's almost like these Islam proponents that spring up now and then haven't even read the previous paragraph in their holy book, much less the whole page at least. So, you know, just like the evangelicals :p
 
On Planet X, the lies memorize you.

And your own potatoes dicks you, just for good measure.
 
Hey, I visited your web site Emre and lifted this:

Bu dünya "Allah açısından" bir imtihan dünyası değil. Çünkü zaten yapacaklarımızı biliyor. Bu dünya "eğer sonsuza dek yaşasaydık yapacaklarımızı sembolize eden" bir minyatür -örnek hayat. Ve biz olacakları bilmediğimizden, bizim açımızdan bir imtihan dünyası.
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Which translates to this in English:

This world is not a test of God. Because he already knows what we're going to do. This world is a miniature-example life that symbolizes what we do if we've lived forever. And because we don't know what's going to happen, it's a test of ours.
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Apart from the fact that it makes little sense to me - entirely due to my lack of faith I imagine. It occurs to me, as I have read, that translating the Koran to another language is taboo. Do you read Arabic or a translated version?

As you give others you're inspirational insights in Turkish I suspect not.
 
Thor 2 said:
Hey, I visited your web site Emre and lifted this:



Which translates to this in English:




Apart from the fact that it makes little sense to me - entirely due to my lack of faith I imagine. It occurs to me, as I have read, that translating the Koran to another language is taboo. Do you read Arabic or a translated version?

As you give others you're inspirational insights in Turkish I suspect not.
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No, this is not taboo.

The best Quran translations in the world are in Turkish.

Unfortunately, the interpreters are often mistaken for the influence of the teachings of the Hadith/sect and Sufism.

Machine translation is not yet enough, of course.

The Quranic Muslims are the ones who make the best translations.

I take advantage of many translations by researching words.
 
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Emre_1974tr said:
No, this is not taboo.

The best Quran translations in the world are in Turkish.

Unfortunately, the interpreters are often mistaken for the influence of the teachings of the Hadith/sect and Sufism.

Machine translation is not yet enough, of course.

The Quranic Muslims are the ones who make the best translations.

I take advantage of many translations by researching words.
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By Turks who read Arabic, or by Turks who translate Turkish translations? So where do you fit in? Do you read Arabic? Also what makes you so convinced you are more gifted than others in coming up with correct translations?
 
Emre_1974tr said:
On the contrary, I am the judge of the Qur'an in its entirety, thus resolving many subjects.

Free Will and fate, for example.

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2011/07/kader-ve-ozgur-irade.html

And that's how I made many priests of you be a Muslim.

It's me who reads and evaluates from start to finish.

But you're a robot who repeats the lies that are memorizing you in missionary school.
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sackett said:
On Planet X, the lies memorize you.

And your own potatoes dicks you, just for good measure.
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A quite proper reply for a post with little contact with reality (or spirituality)
 
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