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Emre,

Either you're trolling (badly) or simply trying to shore up your own thoughts by parading them endlessly before an audience who both don't care about them (to put it mildly) and who find your reasoning behind those thoughts to be more than a little problematic.
 
There's some beautiful writing in the old bible. Ecclesiastes. Job. Even Cool Story Bro -- Mark.*

Paul was a cunning one. Our common language has a lot of his riffs.

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Now:

Are there passages in the Koran that I would enjoy in the same way that I enjoy Ecclesiastes?





* yes, new bible.
 
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Is Emre immune to poisons and vicious dog attacks like that other guy? My offer still stands to buy him a skinful of booze. And Emre too
 
calebprime said:
There's some beautiful writing in the old bible. Ecclesiastes. Job. Even Cool Story Bro -- Mark.*

Paul was a cunning one. Our common language has a lot of his riffs.

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Now:

Are there passages in the Koran that I would enjoy in the same way that I enjoy Ecclesiastes?
* yes, new bible.
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The Quran continually changes the subject, and is very poor in narrative.

You might try surah 55, I have heard a Muslim say it reduced her to tears to hear it in the original Arabic, but it may loose some of its poetic qualities in English.

Personally the whole Quran reduces me to tears. I think that 1.5 billion people think it is the words of God is a tragedy.

You can get the gist of the Quran if you enter words like, 'unbelievers' and 'hell' into the following search engine.


http://search-the-quran.com/
 
Scorpion is trying to deserve his salary as a Christian missionary.

Their tactics are always the same.

Verse tweeze. it removes it from the context of the verses.

And give faulty translations.

And of course, to try to show the sources other than the Quran as Islamic.
 
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Emre_1974tr said:
Scorpion is trying to deserve his salary as a Christian missionary.

Their tactics are always the same.

Verse tweeze. it removes it from the context of the verses.

And give faulty translations.

And of course, to try to show the sources other than the Quran as Islamic.
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There is only one context to the Quran, and that is its Muhammad's war manual . You must fight and even die for him, and obey him.

I have offered forty translations in a link on this thread.

The hadiths Muslim and Bukhari are well regarded as authentic by mainstream Muslims. Why do you deny them? are you a follower of Rashad Khalifa ? I see your link has his translation listed among others.
 
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Are you ( Christian missionaries )getting a monthly salary to say these lies or do you get per article?
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I have the Quran to prove I don't tell lies. It says obey Allah AND the Apostle (Muhammad)

3.32 Say: "Obey God and His Apostle": But if they turn back, God loveth not those who reject Faith.

3.132 And obey God and the Apostle; that ye may obtain mercy.

4.13 Those are limits set by God: those who obey God and His Apostle will be admitted to Gardens with rivers flowing beneath, to abide therein (for ever) and that will be the supreme achievement.

4.14 But those who disobey God and His Apostle and transgress His limits will be admitted to a Fire, to abide therein: And they shall have a humiliating punishment.

4.59 O ye who believe! Obey God, and obey the Apostle, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to God and His Apostle, if ye do believe in God and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination.

4.69 All who obey God and the apostle are in the company of those on whom is the Grace of God,- of the prophets (who teach), the sincere (lovers of Truth), the witnesses (who testify), and the Righteous (who do good): Ah! what a beautiful fellowship!

5.92 Obey God, and obey the Apostle, and beware (of evil): if ye do turn back, know ye that it is Our Apostle's duty to proclaim (the message) in the clearest manner.

8.1 They ask thee concerning (things taken as) spoils of war. Say: "(such) spoils are at the disposal of God and the Apostle: So fear God, and keep straight the relations between yourselves: Obey God and His Apostle, if ye do believe."

8.20 O ye who believe! Obey God and His Apostle, and turn not away from him when ye hear (him speak).

8.46 And obey God and His Apostle; and fall into no disputes, lest ye lose heart and your power depart; and be patient and persevering: For God is with those who patiently persevere:

9.71 The Believers, men and women, are protectors one of another: they enjoin what is just, and forbid what is evil: they observe regular prayers, practise regular charity, and obey God and His Apostle. On them will God pour His mercy:for God is Exalted in power, Wise.

24.52 It is such as obey God and His Apostle, and fear God and do right, that will win (in the end),


24.54 Say: "Obey God, and obey the Apostle: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Apostle's duty is only to preach the clear (Message)

33.33 And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey God and His Apostle. And God only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless.


47.33 O ye who believe! Obey God, and obey the apostle, and make not vain your deeds!

49.14 The desert Arabs say, "We believe." Say, "Ye have no faith; but ye (only)say, 'We have submitted our wills to God,' For not yet has Faith entered your hearts. But if ye obey God and His Apostle, He will not belittle aught of your deeds: for God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

64.12 So obey God, and obey His Apostle: but if ye turn back, the duty of Our Apostle is but to proclaim (the Message) clearly and openly.

72.23 "Unless I proclaim what I receive from God and His Messages: for any that disobey God and His Apostle,- for them is Hell: they shall dwell therein for ever."
 
Emre_1974tr said:
Scorpion is trying to deserve his salary as a Christian missionary.

Their tactics are always the same.

Verse tweeze. it removes it from the context of the verses.

And give faulty translations.

And of course, to try to show the sources other than the Quran as Islamic.
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Actually, Scorpion hearing conscience when doing them like robots, but this is his profession.
 
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15- There was a sign for the people of Sheba in their habitations: two gardens, one on the right and the other on the left. “Eat from your Lord’s provisions and be thankful to Him. Good land and a forgiving Lord.”
34-Sheba, 15


16- But they turned away and We sent against them the flood from the dam. And We converted their two gardens into gardens of bitter fruit, and tamarisks and a few sparse cedar-trees.
34-Sheba, 16

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/05/miracles-based-on-archaelogy-and-saba/
 
Emre,

It's been 12 pages now and you apparently haven't tumbled to the fact that you're pouring sand down a hole.
 
Hi, I'll check out surah 55.

So far, every single sentence of the koran I've read without exception has filled me will visceral revulsion.

It's extremely hard to keep reading this stuff.

From my pov so far, it's just awful in every way -- intent, composition, rhetoric, organization, images, scope. Just horrible.

But perhaps some tiny shaft of light came through all that hatred.

can't yet find a readable translation that doesn't insult my intelligence or confine it or hector it.
 
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[55:10] He created the earth for all creatures.

[55:11] In it there are fruits, and date palms with their hanging fruit.*


[55:12] Also grains and the spices.

[55:13] (O humans and jinns,) which of your Lord's marvels can you deny?

[55:14] He created the human from aged clay, like the potter's clay.

[55:15] And created the jinns from blazing fire.


[55:17] Lord of the two easts and the two wests.


[55:19] He separates the two seas where they meet.

[55:20] A barrier is placed between them, to prevent them from transgressing.


[55:22] Out of both of them you get pearls and coral.


[55:24] He gave you ships that roam the sea like flags.


[55:26] Everyone on earth perishes.

[55:27] Only the presence of your Lord lasts. Possessor of Majesty and Honor.


[55:29] Imploring Him is everyone in the heavens and the earth. Every day He is in full control.


[55:31] We will call you to account, O humans and jinns.


[55:33] O you jinns and humans, if you can penetrate the outer limits of the heavens and the earth, go ahead and penetrate. You cannot penetrate without authorization.

[55:35] You get bombarded with projectiles of fire and metal, and you cannot win.


[55:37] When the sky disintegrates, and turns rose colored like paint.


[55:39] On that day, no human, nor a jinn, will be asked about his sins.


[55:41] (This is because) the guilty will be recognized by their looks; they will be taken by the forelocks and the feet.


[55:43] This is Gehenna that the guilty used to deny.

[55:44] They will circulate between it and an intolerable inferno.*



[55:46] For those who reverence the majesty of their Lord, two gardens (one for the jinns and one for the humans).


[55:48] Full of provisions.


[55:50] Two springs are in them, flowing.


[55:52] Of every fruit in them, two kinds.


[55:54] While relaxing on furnishings lined with satin, the fruits are within reach.


[55:56] Their beautiful mates were never touched by any human or jinn.

[55:58] They look like gems and coral.


[55:60] Is the reward of goodness anything but goodness?


[55:62] Below them are two gardens (one for the jinns and one for the humans).


[55:64] Side by side.


[55:66] In them, wells to be pumped.


[55:68] In them are fruits, date palms, and pomegranate.


[55:70] In them are beautiful mates.


[55:72] Confined in the tents.


[55:74] No human ever touched them, nor a jinn.


[55:76] They relax on green carpets, in beautiful surroundings.








yikes. that's some sad ****, even without the threatening reps.

even if you cross out the rest of the objectionable stuff, it's still pretty sad.
 
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Is the arrangement of verses not arbitrary?

That is, there is no higher-level organization, so it doesn't have a beginning or end.

Also, I'm not interested in being overcome by rhetorical effect. It would be better to get the overview, if there is one.

Otherwise, it's a series of admonishments, oughts, threats, dire threats, and more threats.

I'd like to find the lyrical, human passages, if there are any.

If there aren't any, I certainly don't want to read the entire thing.

In fact, the diction of Do This is the problem.
 
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calebprime said:
Is the arrangement of verses not arbitrary?

That is, there is no higher-level organization, so it doesn't have a beginning or end.

Also, I'm not interested in being overcome by rhetorical effect. It would be better to get the overview, if there is one.

Otherwise, it's a series of admonishments, oughts, threats, dire threats, and more threats.

I'd like to find the lyrical, human passages, if there are any.

If there aren't any, I certainly don't want to read the entire thing.

In fact, the diction of Do This is the problem.
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Well said indeed.
 
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