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Donn
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'Es not in me car!
Thor 2
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OK, so the prayer moves around the circle of the Earth so when it hits Mecca, is going in the opposite direction to which it started. Prayers are effected by gravity then?
Fast Eddie B
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I may be treading on thin ice, but that just seems so “troll-y”.
Unless it was meant tongue-in-cheek.
Regardless, that quote seems almost worthy of a sig line.
Emre_1974tr
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Big Bang
47- With power did We construct heaven. Verily, We are expanding it. (51- The Dispersing, 47)
21:30 Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the Earth were meshed together then We ripped them apart? And then We made of water everything living? Would they still not believe?
Big Crunch
21:104 On the day when We roll up the heavens like a scroll of books is rolled up. As We initiated the first creation, so shall We return it. It is a promise of Ours that We will do this.
47- With power did We construct heaven. Verily, We are expanding it. (51- The Dispersing, 47)
21:30 Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the Earth were meshed together then We ripped them apart? And then We made of water everything living? Would they still not believe?
Big Crunch
21:104 On the day when We roll up the heavens like a scroll of books is rolled up. As We initiated the first creation, so shall We return it. It is a promise of Ours that We will do this.
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
1. No, that is not a good description of the Big Bang. I certainly would not read it and think "that could be referring to the Big Bang"
2. I know religious people used to believe that heaven was in the sky, but now we know what's really up there I thought they'd decided it was somewhere else entirely?
3. It's been 20 years since it was discovered that the expansion of the universe is accelerating, not decelerating as previously expected. The Big Crunch is no longer considered a likely possible ending for the universe.
2. I know religious people used to believe that heaven was in the sky, but now we know what's really up there I thought they'd decided it was somewhere else entirely?
3. It's been 20 years since it was discovered that the expansion of the universe is accelerating, not decelerating as previously expected. The Big Crunch is no longer considered a likely possible ending for the universe.
abaddon
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Emre_1974tr
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1- I just gave you an example. There are many more verses related to Big bang and expansion.
2- No, heaven is not paradise. Heaven =universe
Heavens = universes
https://www.hipforums.com/forum/topic/483833-time-timelessness-and-the-floor-of-lord-indallah/
The Qur'an offers a multi-universe model.
But it is not infinite.
Seven universes, for example.
My Turkish writing about this subject:
http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/2016/05/goklerevrenler.html
3- The world of science again concentrated on Big Crunch todays.
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
Unless at least one of them is a much better description of the Big Bang, the number of such references is irrelevant.
My memory from my reading of the Quran a few years ago is that it's essentially a few pages of ranting and unsupported assertions repeated over and over and over again.
The heavens originally just meant the sky, and heaven became the name of the place where the gods lived because the gods were usually believed to live in the sky. Deciding to go back to the original meaning of the word in order to invent a link between religious doctrine and modern astronomy is disingenuous.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven#Islam
Sorry, I can make no sense of this.
Donn
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Of course there are. More for every occasion, foible, contrivance and fail.
Emre_1974tr
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1- Every sentence is very clear. And when the book is read as a whole, the picture is much more beautiful. Not just our universe, but all the universes were created with big bang.
2- No, it always meant the universe. But until now you have misinterpreted with the influence of books such as the incomplete and false Bible and Torah, and the influence of the clergy.
According to the Qur'an, there are more than one universe. And some of these universes also contain the hereafter, the paradise and the hell.
Especially the Hereafter universe has different physics laws.
God is not in any universe.
He made all the universes out there.
That is why all created creatures are separate from Allah. Nothing is part of Him.
Heavens = Universes
3- Today, the science world thinks more, that the day of Judgment will come with big crunch.
Not only our universe, but other universes will also end with big crunch, according to Quran.
Only the hereafter universe is immortal.
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Scorpion
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The big bang is that there was only hydrogen from the beginning. Stars formed out of the hydrogen and lived and died over billions of years. all heavy atoms that created the earth were ejected into space when those stars died.
So the heavens and earth were never joined. The earth was only created billions of years after the big bang.
Also the bit about every living thing being made from water is stolen from the bible's Genesis.
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I believe the current theory is the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate and the consequences will be that the stars will all burn out and there will be nothing left but a black empty lifeless universe.
The idea of a big crunch is probably stolen from Hindu texts.
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
I found it a very ugly book. Lots of unpleasant ranting.
Unsupported assertion.
It originally meant the sky, according to linguists and historians.
Unsupported assertions.
No it doesn't, that ending of the universe has been pretty much ruled out by the discovery that the expansion of the universe is accelerating. And science says nothing about a day of judgement.
Unsupported assertion.
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Scorpion
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Name a verse that says anything about other universes, and how they will end.
The word used is probably heavens, not universes.
Emre_1974tr
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http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/2016/05/goklerevrenler.html
Translate my article.
In the Qur'an, the skies, heavens, spaces means universes.
I told with proofs.
They have different laws of physics.
Except for the Hereafter universe, all the other universes will end with big crunch.
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Emre_1974tr
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Bible and Hindu texts also have many flaws in this regard.
But the Koran always gives the right information in a perfect way
But the Koran always gives the right information in a perfect way
RecoveringYuppy
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Then why do you have to change the words to get it to say what you want?
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The Quran steals from the bible wholesale. The Jewish myths of Jonah and the whale, and Noah's ark, and the parting of the red sea are all in the Quran quoted as historical facts.
There is also the verse 54.1 that says the moon was split in two.
Emre_1974tr
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Just the opposite.
Your fake Bibles And Torah are stolen from the Holy Book.
The Qur'an is original and contains the words of Allah.
The only real holy book of ours now is the Qur'an.
The Qur'an describes the true state of events.
For example, the Noah Flood was regional. And He punished a single nation.
My Turkish writing about this subject:
http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/2011/07/nuh-tufan-bolgesel-ve-tek-topluma.html
54.1 does not say that the moon is cut in half.
54:1 The moment drew near, and the moon was split.
Your fake Bibles And Torah are stolen from the Holy Book.
The Qur'an is original and contains the words of Allah.
The only real holy book of ours now is the Qur'an.
The Qur'an describes the true state of events.
For example, the Noah Flood was regional. And He punished a single nation.
My Turkish writing about this subject:
http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/2011/07/nuh-tufan-bolgesel-ve-tek-topluma.html
54.1 does not say that the moon is cut in half.
54:1 The moment drew near, and the moon was split.
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