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I was trying to get an answer from Emre some time ago about the praying when facing Mecca thing and din't get an answer.

Do you think praying in the direction of Mecca is the right thing to do Emre?
 
Thor 2 said:
I was trying to get an answer from Emre some time ago about the praying when facing Mecca thing and din't get an answer.

Do you think praying in the direction of Mecca is the right thing to do Emre?
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No answer for you. (soup nazi)

To be serious, that is a strange superstitious nonsense. Why would an omnipotent gawd really care which way one might be pointing?

Why does christian gawd not care?
 
And my challenge remains. I will accept god, allah, vishnu, odin, thor whatever right when some crank turns up with actual testable evidence for the existence of any of them. Thousands of years and frak all to date.
 
abaddon said:
No answer for you. (soup nazi)

To be serious, that is a strange superstitious nonsense. Why would an omnipotent gawd really care which way one might be pointing?

Why does christian gawd not care?
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He's not omipointent.
 
Thor 2 said:
I was trying to get an answer from Emre some time ago about the praying when facing Mecca thing and din't get an answer.

Do you think praying in the direction of Mecca is the right thing to do Emre?
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People tend to head for the sky, for the stars, or for something else.

Giving a direction prevents it.

it will reveal your side.

It also prevents confusion in the prayers performed in the collective.

Apart from that, visit to the pilgrimage is also requested here.

There is also a physical healing structure.

2:177 Piety is not to turn your faces towards the east and the west, but piety is one who acknowledges God and the Last day, and the controllers, and the book, and the prophets, and he gives money out of love to the near relatives, and the orphans, and the needy and the wayfarer, and those who ask, and to free the slaves, and he observes the Contact prayer, and contributes towards betterment; and those who keep their pledges when they make a pledge, and those who are patient in the face of good and bad and during persecution. These are the ones who have been truthful, and they are the righteous
 
Emre_1974tr said:
People tend to head for the sky, for the stars, or for something else.

Giving a direction prevents it.

it will reveal your side.

It also prevents confusion in the prayers performed in the collective.

Apart from that, visit to the pilgrimage is also requested here.

There is also a physical healing structure.

2:177 Piety is not to turn your faces towards the east and the west, but piety is one who acknowledges God and the Last day, and the controllers, and the book, and the prophets, and he gives money out of love to the near relatives, and the orphans, and the needy and the wayfarer, and those who ask, and to free the slaves, and he observes the Contact prayer, and contributes towards betterment; and those who keep their pledges when they make a pledge, and those who are patient in the face of good and bad and during persecution. These are the ones who have been truthful, and they are the righteous
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So, then! Praying towards Mecca is cultural and not "divinely" mandated; and practicing the Golden Rule, found in myriad cultures, is to be commended. Possibly we're getting somewhere with this.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
I have said that Islam has existed since the first people.

Abraham, Noah, Jesus, Muhammad are all prophets of Islam. There is only one holy religion.

As people changed religion and the book, the prophet and the book were sent again from God.

The Kaaba is also the first Islamic temple in history.

Quran 3:96. "Lo! the first Sanctuary appointed for mankind was that at Mecca, a blessed place, a guidance to the peoples;"

After, People degenerated and changed the Kabe and prayer.

Through the Prophet Muhammad, the Qur'an came and Islam was once again transformed into its original form.

The Kaaba is purified from idols.

In short, as people and other beings changed their path of salvation, Islam came again.
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2:125 We have made the sanctuary to be a model for the people and a security. Utilize the place of Abraham to reach out. We had entrusted to Abraham and Ishmael, "You shall purify My sanctuary for those who visit, those who are devoted, and for those who kneel and prostrate."

22:26 We have appointed to Abraham the location of the sanctuary: "Do not set up anyone with Me, and purify My sanctuary for those who will partake, and those who will enforce, and those who kneel and prostrate."
 
Emre,

There are forums where your repetitions of nonsense would be welcome. In this setting, repeating patent nonsense - indeed repetitions of repetitions - remains nonsense. You are convincing no one but yourself. The common term for that is "delusion."
 
Emre_1974tr said:
People tend to head for the sky, for the stars, or for something else.

Giving a direction prevents it.

it will reveal your side.

It also prevents confusion in the prayers performed in the collective.
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OK, so I take it from this you are on board with the idea that you should pray facing Mecca. I have another question for you then.

In French Polynesia, in the Southern Pacific, is a location that is diametrically opposite Mecca on our planet. All directions are equidistant to Mecca if you follow the curvature of the Earth.

Should you then pray horizontally in any direction? Or should you pray downwards as this is the most direct route?
 
Thor 2 said:
In French Polynesia, in the Southern Pacific, is a location that is diametrically opposite Mecca on our planet. All directions are equidistant to Mecca if you follow the curvature of the Earth.

Should you then pray horizontally in any direction? Or should you pray downwards as this is the most direct route?
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Pray horizontally in any direction.
 
A frequent muslimist yell, excuse me, exhortation is "Face east! Face toward Mecca!"

The first question that occurs to an infidel is, "What if you're east of Mecca?"

And some moslemoids will yell back, "Face east around the world until your prayers get to Mecca!"

Yes they do.

But religionists are constantly concerned with Great Matters of that sort.
 
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