Ed The Miracles Continue ...

[Scorpion]

I said, Read the whole Qur'an.

I have read all the stinking evil Quran three times since 9/11/01 because I wanted to know what would make people commit suicide in order to commit mass murder. I found the answers plain to see in the Quran.

A book based on the teachings of a cut throat Arab bandit who obviously tried to scare people into fighting for him by pretending to get a message from God.

The word hell appears over 100 times in the Quran, largely in the context of unbelievers in Muhammad being sent there to burn for eternity.

The Quran is repetitive, and mostly plagiarism from the bible.

 

[Scorpion]

You must read the verse in full unto the Qur'an.

http://19.org/blog/hell/

And writes, in Paradise that there will be no more deaths than death in the world.

But there is no such statement for hell.

In addition, other expressions suggest that one day, hell may disappear.

Then the people and the demons in hell will also disappear.

But I said "can be" for this comment. I said "can be".

The verses in the Qur'an are suggesting this.

Read all the verses, not the verse that comes to your work.

Show me the verses that say hell may disappear. I have read no such verse.

 

[Peregrinus]

God gives truthful truths and goodness.

Gives the objective.

People can turn towards the truth through the inside body verses(spirit) and the mind.

No one will do wrong or bad things in the paradise because people will be more supportive in the paradise with the verses(spirit).

You continually circle back to trying to support your assertions with unproven and unprovable assumptions. As others have pointed out (frequently) you cannot use the Qur'an as proof of the Qur'an's veracity. Too many have shown too many times the Qur'an has no more veracity than any other "holy" manuscript - to wit: none whatsoever.

 

[I Am The Scum]

truthful truths

This phrase made me laugh pretty hard.

 

[abaddon]

I said, Read the whole Qur'an.

I've read it. It's bollocks.

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[Thor 2]

If they don't to attribute a partner to (God), and if they are good people.

"Lo! those who believe and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve." (Bakara 62)

Can't really see an answer to my question here.

I want to know if the people who believed in Allah/God before the time of Muhammad found salvation.

 

[acbytesla]

You continually circle back to trying to support your assertions with unproven and unprovable assumptions. As others have pointed out (frequently) you cannot use the Qur'an as proof of the Qur'an's veracity. Too many have shown too many times the Qur'an has no more veracity than any other "holy" manuscript - to wit: none whatsoever.

This reminds me a bit of the song that we use to sing in Bible school as a child.

'Yes Jesus loves me for the Bible tells me so
Jesus loves me this I know
For the Bible tells me so'

Not exactly the same thing going but close. The Bible being the ultimate authority of truth. Emre does this with Quran. Everything circles back to his book.

 

[Emre_1974tr]

Can't really see an answer to my question here.

I want to know if the people who believed in Allah/God before the time of Muhammad found salvation.

I answered very clearly.

There is no distinction between before and after Muhammad.

They are all Islam prophets.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

I just learned a new concept: the Bare Assertion Fallacy.

There is hardly anything more boring, droll and pointless than someone just spouting assertions based on scripture or revelation to an audience of those who do not share the same faith.

Makes me wonder about the motivation.

 

[Shalamar]

Allah always sends us the religion of Islam.

No, I do not.

But people have always changed their religion, books in the past.

They even changed the names of their religions. Like Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism.

I gave humans free will. They are free to believe what they will.

There is only one God and always sends the same religion.

Nah. I never did that. Wanted to see what people would come up with.

Abraham, Jesus, Muhammad are all true Prophet of Islam.

Nope. So sorry. Abraham was a putz, Jesus thought he was my son, though he came close. decent guy. Muhammad? Ahh.. no.

Allah (God) says:

"Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah.s (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah" (Al-i Imran 67.)

Nope. No Islam there. Besides, I (God, creator of everything) did not say that. Pretty sure I'd remember.

So the God who sent the Torah, Bible to the Qur'an is the same, and the only one.

But if you adore the trinity, for example, this is something you make up.

Now the only true holy book in your hand is the Quran.

Nope. None of the books are Holy in My eyes. They are all made up, and written by men.

Again, so sorry.

 

[acbytesla]

I just learned a new concept: the Bare Assertion Fallacy.

There is hardly anything more boring, droll and pointless than someone just spouting assertions based on scripture or revelation to an audience of those who do not share the same faith.

Makes me wonder about the motivation.

I'm pretty sure there is a command to convert the unbelievers or eventually kill them. I believe that unbelievers are suppose to pay some kind of tax. Coercion is big with them.

 

[Thor 2]

I answered very clearly.

There is no distinction between before and after Muhammad.

They are all Islam prophets.

OK if I understand you correctly now. Salvation was possible before Muhammad then.

If that is so why did we need Muhammed? Further to this what about those that continued to worship Allah/God directly like the Jews and via Jesus after Muhammed. They were getting salvation that way before so why not after? Considering many would not have even heard of Muhammed.

This is one of the thorny questions that is bothersome to Christianity. Do you have an answer for it in Islam?

 

[Donn]

The Quran is repetitive, and mostly plagiarism from the bible.

'S funny; Spiritualism is good to go. Islam? Why it's all kinds of silly. Why is that?

 

[Donn]

God gives truthful truths and goodness.

You keep saying that. Repeating it does not defend it. Is this all you have in your quiver? Are all your arrows so limp?

Poor lost waif.

 

[Scorpion]

Like the reward of the good, the punishment of evil is the result of his (Allah's) mercy, goodness and perfection.

Have you actually read the quotes of hell in the Quran ?

Pouring boiling liquids on people that will melt their skins and their insides also.
Making garments of fire, etc. And this for all eternity.

Then you talk about Allah's mercy, goodness and perfection.

Are you sure you have the right God?

 

[Scorpion]

'S funny; Spiritualism is good to go. Islam? Why it's all kinds of silly. Why is that?

If spiritualism is true then Islam is not. For example spiritualism teaches there will be no hellfire and there is no devil. There is no eternal hell, all souls are ultimately redeemed and made perfect.

Besides it ought to be obvious to a brain dead mule that Muhammad made up the Quran to suit his own evil ends.

 

[Donn]

If spiritualism is true then Islam is not. For example spiritualism teaches there will be no hellfire and there is no devil. There is no eternal hell, all souls are ultimately redeemed and made perfect.

Besides it ought to be obvious to a brain dead mule that Muhammad made up the Quran to suit his own evil ends.

Aye, and this mule goes one ism further.

Are you so dim that you can't see how you hug what you reject?

Here's an idea: entertain the sober thought that spiritualism is just as ersatz as Islam.

Where does this lead? If you reject the thought, then you must do so with integrity. This would mean you have to allow Islam; the Quran; all of it.

You are on a boat with a spear, poking holes in boats alongside. First, you need to realize that you're on a boat.

Your integrity right now is zero because you speak with a forked tongue.

 

[Emre_1974tr]

OK if I understand you correctly now. Salvation was possible before Muhammad then.

If that is so why did we need Muhammed? Further to this what about those that continued to worship Allah/God directly like the Jews and via Jesus after Muhammed. They were getting salvation that way before so why not after? Considering many would not have even heard of Muhammed.

This is one of the thorny questions that is bothersome to Christianity. Do you have an answer for it in Islam?

1- People changed religion. Even his books and names. Most Christians have even begun to worship the trinity, and this is paganism.

So it's not about before or after Muhammad.

The issue here is to get away from Islam.

True religion and truth only in Qur'an now.

I said "If they don't to attribute a partner to (God), and if they are good people." they will salvation.

But Many Christians worship the trinity.

Many Christians and Jewish rabbis see priests and saints as religious authorities. This is a company.They attribute partners to (God), this is paganism.

God is the only authority in the field of religion.

Real Islam is only in Quran.

2- When a person reads the Qur'an, he should be respect even if he is not a Muslim.

Who follow these details will always reach salvation in the Hereafter.

 

[Donn]

God is the only authority in the field of religion.

Well, we don't have to listen to you then. Sorted.

 

[acbytesla]

1- People changed religion. Even his books and names. Most Christians have even begun to worship the trinity, and this is paganism.

So it's not about before or after Muhammad.

The issue here is to get away from Islam.

True religion and truth only in Qur'an now.

I said "If they don't to attribute a partner to (God), and if they are good people." they will salvation.

But Many Christians worship the trinity.

Many Christians and Jewish rabbis see priests and saints as religious authorities. This is a company.They attribute partners to (God), this is paganism.

God is the only authority in the field of religion.

Real Islam is only in Quran.

2- When a person reads the Qur'an, he should be respect even if he is not a Muslim.

Who follow these details will always reach salvation in the Hereafter.

It is so funny reading the remarks of an adherent of one batcrap religion say that other batcrap religions are wrong.