Ed The Miracles Continue ...

[Peregrinus]

1- I said Like the reward of the good, the punishment of evil/bad men is the result of his (Allah's) mercy, goodness and perfection.

2- According to the Qur'an, Paradise is endless. But hell can be the end because there are expressions that make you think.

"Reward" a subjective human abstraction without referent in reality.
"Good" a subjective human abstraction without referent in reality.
"Allah" a subjective human fiction without referent in reality.
"Evil" a subjective human abstraction without referent in reality.
"Mercy" a subjective human abstraction without referent in reality.
"Goodness" a subjective human abstraction without referent in reality.
"Perfection" a subjective human abstraction without referent in reality.
"Hell" a subjective human abstraction without referent in reality.
"Paradise" a subjective human abstraction without referent in reality.

 

[I Am The Scum]

2- According to the Qur'an, Paradise is endless. But hell can be the end because there are expressions that make you think.

Wrong again.

Those who followed will say, "If only we had another turn [at worldly life] so we could disassociate ourselves from them as they have disassociated themselves from us." Thus will Allah show them their deeds as regrets upon them. And they are never to emerge from the Fire.

It's amazing how much you get wrong about your own book. I hope it's not on purpose.

 

[acbytesla]

Wrong again.


It's amazing how much you get wrong about your own book. I hope it's not on purpose.

This isn't that surprising. The vast majority of Christians I've met have barely read more than bits and pieces of the Bible. I considered myself a Christian until I actually forced myself to read the Bible.

 

[Scorpion]

emre, the Quran definitely says hell is forever, here is another verse

5.36. As to those who reject Faith,- if they had everything on earth, and twice repeated, to give as ransom for the penalty of the Day of Judgment, it would never be accepted of them, theirs would be a grievous penalty.
5.37. Their wish will be to get out of the Fire, but never will they get out therefrom: their penalty will be one that endures

 

[Andy_Ross]

What makes them think that Thor's hammer creating thunder is silly

Not all thunder, only 'important' thunder when it's an Omen.
It's hard to tell the difference though.

 

[Thor 2]

1- I said Like the reward of the good, the punishment of evil/bad men is the result of his (Allah's) mercy, goodness and perfection.

2- According to the Qur'an, Paradise is endless. But hell can be the end because there are expressions that make you think.

3- There is no true and complete Torah. Your Old and New Testements are like hadith books. Not Real Torah or Bible.

Emre, you are talking to skeptics here, skeptics that would like to hear an argument, not just quoting parts of your book and statements of faith by you.

We would like to have answers to questions asked also. Is Allah the same god the Jews and Christians worship, is he the God of Abraham?

 

[Thor 2]

Originally Posted by acbytesla
What makes them think that Thor's hammer creating thunder is silly

Not all thunder, only 'important' thunder when it's an Omen.
It's hard to tell the difference though.

Has to be the right kind of cloud and you have to get up into the bell of the cloud to pull it off.

 

[Emre_1974tr]

You must read the verse in full unto the Qur'an.

http://19.org/blog/hell/

And writes, in Paradise that there will be no more deaths than death in the world.

But there is no such statement for hell.

In addition, other expressions suggest that one day, hell may disappear.

Then the people and the demons in hell will also disappear.

But I said "can be" for this comment. I said "can be".

The verses in the Qur'an are suggesting this.

Read all the verses, not the verse that comes to your work.

 

[Emre_1974tr]

We would like to have answers to questions asked also. Is Allah the same god the Jews and Christians worship, is he the God of Abraham?

Allah always sends us the religion of Islam.

But people have always changed their religion, books in the past.

They even changed the names of their religions. Like Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism.

There is only one God and always sends the same religion.

Abraham, Jesus, Muhammad are all true Prophet of Islam.

Allah (God) says:

"Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah.s (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah" (Al-i Imran 67.)

So the God who sent the Torah, Bible to the Qur'an is the same, and the only one.

But if you adore the trinity, for example, this is something you make up.

Now the only true holy book in your hand is the Quran.

 

[abaddon]

Allah always sends us the religion of Islam.

But people have always changed their religion, books in the past.

They even changed the names of their religions. Like Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism.

There is only one God and always sends the same religion.

Abraham, Jesus, Muhammad are all true Prophet of Islam.

Allah (God) says:

"Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah.s (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah" (Al-i Imran 67.)

So the God who sent the Torah, Bible to the Qur'an is the same, and the only one.

But if you adore the trinity, for example, this is something you make up.

Apparently, I am not on that mailing list. Can you provide a reference for it?

 

[Thor 2]

Allah always sends us the religion of Islam.

But people have always changed their religion, books in the past.

They even changed the names of their religions. Like Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism.

There is only one God and always sends the same religion.

Abraham, Jesus, Muhammad are all true Prophet of Islam.

Allah (God) says:

"Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah.s (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah" (Al-i Imran 67.)

So the God who sent the Torah, Bible to the Qur'an is the same, and the only one.

But if you adore the trinity, for example, this is something you make up.

Now the only true holy book in your hand is the Quran.

OK, we may be getting somewhere now.

So Allah was the God of Abraham also. Can we assume then that all those who paid homage to this God, up until the time of Muhammad, were on the right track? Can we assume that all those who believed in the teachings of and followed Jesus, were on the right track, until Muhammad made his appearance? Did they find salvation?

 

[acbytesla]

Allah always sends us the religion of Islam.

But people have always changed their religion, books in the past.

They even changed the names of their religions. Like Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism.

There is only one God and always sends the same religion.

Abraham, Jesus, Muhammad are all true Prophet of Islam.

Allah (God) says:

"Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah.s (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah" (Al-i Imran 67.)

So the God who sent the Torah, Bible to the Qur'an is the same, and the only one.

But if you adore the trinity, for example, this is something you make up.

Now the only true holy book in your hand is the Quran.

How God damn convenient. A catchall for every catchall and you don't have to prove any of it. Psychiatrists say that is an unfalsifiable delusion.

 

[Craig4]

You must read the verse in full unto the Qur'an.

http://19.org/blog/hell/

And writes, in Paradise that there will be no more deaths than death in the world.

But there is no such statement for hell.

In addition, other expressions suggest that one day, hell may disappear.

Then the people and the demons in hell will also disappear.

But I said "can be" for this comment. I said "can be".

The verses in the Qur'an are suggesting this.

Read all the verses, not the verse that comes to your work.

No. I'm not going to read to ass wipe that is your book until you come up with proof that Momo talked to a god and his instructions are in the book. You can't use the book to prove that Momo talked to a god.

Absent that proof, nothing you believe matters. It's all just made up nonsense. It's just like the Bible, Book of Mormon, and every other holy book. It's not real. And for pushing it, you have blood on your hands up to your elbows.

 

[Scorpion]

You must read the verse in full unto the Qur'an.

http://19.org/blog/hell/

And writes, in Paradise that there will be no more deaths than death in the world.

But there is no such statement for hell.

In addition, other expressions suggest that one day, hell may disappear.

Then the people and the demons in hell will also disappear.

But I said "can be" for this comment. I said "can be".

The verses in the Qur'an are suggesting this.

Read all the verses, not the verse that comes to your work.

Are you making stuff up? The Quran clearly states hell will be forever.


4.121 They (his dupes) will have their dwelling in Hell, and from it they will find no way of escape.

4.168 Those who reject Faith and do wrong,- God will not forgive them nor guide them to any way-
4.169 Except the way of Hell, to dwell therein for ever. And this to God is easy.

9.68 God hath promised the Hypocrites men and women, and the rejecters, of Faith, the fire of Hell: Therein shall they dwell: Sufficient is it for them: for them is the curse of God, and an enduring punishment,

32.14 "Taste ye then - for ye forgot the Meeting of this Day of yours, and We too will forget you - taste ye the Penalty of Eternity for your (evil) deeds!"

41.28 Such is the requital of the enemies of God,- the Fire: therein will be for them the Eternal Home: a (fit) requital, for that they were wont to reject Our Sings.

72.23 "Unless I proclaim what I receive from God and His Messages: for any that disobey God and His Apostle,- for them is Hell: they shall dwell therein for ever.

 

[Emre_1974tr]

You must read the verse in full unto the Qur'an.

http://19.org/blog/hell/

And writes, in Paradise that there will be no more deaths than death in the world.

But there is no such statement for hell.

In addition, other expressions suggest that one day, hell may disappear.

Then the people and the demons in hell will also disappear.

But I said "can be" for this comment. I said "can be".

The verses in the Qur'an are suggesting this.

Read all the verses, not the verse that comes to your work.

I said, Read the whole Qur'an.

 

[Peregrinus]

I said, Read the whole Qur'an.

Give one reality-based reason for doing so - other than to become familiar with yet another steaming pile of nonsense.

 

[Emre_1974tr]

OK, we may be getting somewhere now.

So Allah was the God of Abraham also. Can we assume then that all those who paid homage to this God, up until the time of Muhammad, were on the right track? Can we assume that all those who believed in the teachings of and followed Jesus, were on the right track, until Muhammad made his appearance? Did they find salvation?

If they don't to attribute a partner to (God), and if they are good people.

"Lo! those who believe and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve." (Bakara 62)

 

[Peregrinus]

... whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day

Yet another source of the End Times / Judgement Day nonsense

...and doeth right surely their reward is with their Lord...

Aside from realizing "doing right" is wildly subjective even though widely recognized, such precepts are found in any generally acceptable philosophy and no sky daddy required.

 

[Emre_1974tr]

Yet another source of the End Times / Judgement Day nonsense



Aside from realizing "doing right" is wildly subjective even though widely recognized, such precepts are found in any generally acceptable philosophy and no sky daddy required.

God gives truthful truths and goodness.

Gives the objective.

People can turn towards the truth through the inside body verses(spirit) and the mind.

No one will do wrong or bad things in the paradise because people will be more supportive in the paradise with the verses(spirit).

 

[acbytesla]

God gives truthful truths and goodness.

Gives the objective.

People can turn towards the truth through the inside body verses(spirit) and the mind.

No one will do wrong or bad things in the paradise because people will be more supportive in the paradise with the verses(spirit).

Do you have any idea that your posts read like a steaming pile of camel excrement? All you are doing is making assertions about God. Smart people require existential claims to be proven.