Ed The Miracles Continue ...

[Scorpion]

More translations of Quran 36.38

Sahih International: And the sun runs [on course] toward its stopping point. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.

Pickthall: And the sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.

Yusuf Ali: And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of (Him), the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing.

Shakir: And the sun runs on to a term appointed for it; that is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knowing.

Muhammad Sarwar: how the sun moves in its orbit and this is the decree of the Majestic and All-knowing God;

Mohsin Khan: And the sun runs on its fixed course for a term (appointed). That is the Decree of the All-Mighty, the All-Knowing.

Arberry: And the sun -- it runs to a fixed resting-place; that is the ordaining of the All-mighty, the All-knowing.

 

[Thor 2]

That's true. Where might we find any words of any god?

Burning bushes on mountains are supposed to be a reliable source.

Back in the Christian OT God would hardly shut up. Then he went thru a stage were he only spoke to prophets and so on. Today he doesn't speak to anyone - not even his number one man .... the Pope.

According to Islam God spoke to Mohamed big time ..... but to no-one else? Help us out here Emre .........

Mind you there are many who say God speaks to them but it's hard to check the veracity of these claims.

It's interesting that so many are prepared to accept without question the words of God from 1000, 2000, 3000 or so years ago, but if some dude today claims God is talking to him he is regarded as deranged.

 

[Scorpion]

Forty translations of verse 36.38

http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/36/38/default.htm

 

[Scorpion]

And the real life stories of the prophets are only in the Qur'an.

In case you have not noticed, the Qurans references to the bible prophets are just that. They largely only mention the names. Its called name dropping to make you sound important by association with famous names.

But the Qurans references to bible characters have very little narrative, and detail. The bible, by comparison is lucid and clear, and has lengthy stories about the various prophets.

 

[Donn]

Look at with other examples and you say:

http://www.quranmiracles.com/category/mathematics/

That's a link, not a point.

 

[acbytesla]

Oh it gets much worse that that. Frodo may have transported the ring, but he claimed it for his very own, and according to odd Potter crankery Harry is Voldemort.

And this fanboy nonsense is exactly why all of those crank denominations of god botherers even exist in the first place.

Emre just posted how the Christians were silent in the Turkish forums. Well yeah, of course they are silent. They think Emre is batcrap crazy and he's preaching nonsense.

What I don't understand is just how deluded someone has to be to believe all this nonsense. Not just Islam, but every religion. Not a one of them makes any sense at all or has any evidence of any merit that their god is God. Not a one.

What makes them think that Thor's hammer creating thunder is silly, but Mohamed ascending to the heavens on a winged horse is real? Or God descending from the heavens to make a Jewish girl pregnant not just with child but God himself. Or that the greatest being in the universe needs human blood? What is god, a vampire? And Jesus is a zombie?

You would think smart intelligent humans by this point in their evolution could spot insanity when they heard it instead of joining in.

 

[Porpoise of Life]

Let's all pray to Vishnu to make sure that old Zeus doesn't come back as a swan to rape girls.
We need those girls for our blood sacrifice to Huitzilopochtli, or the sun won't come up.

 

[acbytesla]

Let's all pray to Vishnu to make sure that old Zeus doesn't come back as a swan to rape girls.
We need those girls for our blood sacrifice to Huitzilopochtli, or the sun won't come up.

Im sorry, but those gods aren't real.

Everyone knows that Wotan who rides his flying 8 legged steed Sleipner across the sky stabbing infidels with his great spear Gungnir is actually God. Divinity resides with him.

 

[Emre_1974tr]

4.56 Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as
their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may
taste the penalty: for God is Exalted in Power, Wise.


22.19 These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those
who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads
will be poured out boiling water.
22.20 With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins.
22.21 In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them.
22.22 Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be
forced back therein, and (it will be said), "Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!"


40.70 Those who deny the scripture and that wherewith we send our messengers.
But they will come to know.
40.71 When yokes are about their necks and chains, they are dragged.
40.72 Through boiling waters; then they are thrust into the fire.

Like the reward of the good, the punishment of evil is the result of his (Allah's) mercy, goodness and perfection.

 

[Emre_1974tr]

Quran 36.38 says the sun runs to a resting place/ stops

Pickthall And the sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.
Sahih Intl And the sun runs [on course] toward its stopping point. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.
Yusuf Ali And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of (Him), the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing

38- And the Sun moves on to its destination.
That is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knower.
(36- Ya-Seen, 38)

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/the-sun-also-moves-along/

 

[Emre_1974tr]

Burning bushes on mountains are supposed to be a reliable source.

Back in the Christian OT God would hardly shut up. Then he went thru a stage were he only spoke to prophets and so on. Today he doesn't speak to anyone - not even his number one man .... the Pope.

According to Islam God spoke to Mohamed big time ..... but to no-one else? Help us out here Emre .........

Mind you there are many who say God speaks to them but it's hard to check the veracity of these claims.

It's interesting that so many are prepared to accept without question the words of God from 1000, 2000, 3000 or so years ago, but if some dude today claims God is talking to him he is regarded as deranged.

The evidence, the verses inside and outside, show us the truth. The superstitions are forbidden. You are only asked to believe in evidence-based real information.

 

[Thor 2]

The evidence, the verses inside and outside, show us the truth. The superstitions are forbidden. You are only asked to believe in evidence-based real information.

But I was asking about who God/Allah talks to. According to your your beliefs did he only speak to Mohamed?

 

[acbytesla]

The evidence, the verses inside and outside, show us the truth. The superstitions are forbidden. You are only asked to believe in evidence-based real information.

No. It doesn't. Evidence of a god does not come from writings in a book or personal revelation. If I told you my friend Mork had performed many miracles and he was the true prophet of God and it's in this book. He has changed many lives including mine. You wouldn't believe me.

Why? Because there is no evidence of it. So why would you believe it if it was written in a thousand year old book?

 

[Thor 2]

Like the reward of the good, the punishment of evil is the result of his (Allah's) mercy, goodness and perfection.

You have to admit Scorpion has a point there about the extreme brutality described. Interesting bit of detail about the replacement of burnt skin. I have often wondered about the durability of a body being able to sustain that continual burning. We don't get that sort of detail addressed in the Christian NT.

Interesting that the mention of the place of eternal punishment only gets up in the Koran and in the New Testament and not in the Old Testament. I assume Muslims do recognise the OT to some degree. The God/Allah that Muslims worship is the God of Abraham is he not?

 

[Emre_1974tr]

But I was asking about who God/Allah talks to. According to your your beliefs did he only speak to Mohamed?

You look at the Qur'an and decide.

Evidence and reason show you what is right.

 

[acbytesla]

You look at the Qur'an and decide.

Evidence and reason show you what is right.

I have. It is bull feces.

 

[abaddon]

Burning bushes on mountains are supposed to be a reliable source.

Back in the Christian OT God would hardly shut up. Then he went thru a stage were he only spoke to prophets and so on. Today he doesn't speak to anyone - not even his number one man .... the Pope.

Well, god also demand piles of severed foreskins. To be fair, there is only so much expandable luggage one could make out of that or even need. Unlike wives, god's wardrobe must be limited. How many piles of 400 foreskins have you seen lately?

According to Islam God spoke to Mohamed big time ..... but to no-one else? Help us out here Emre .........

But wait, islam has 1.2 billion followers, it must be true.

Odd how it is never presented as the second most behind christianity. Apparently, god created the perfect religion to be second. Because god.

Mind you there are many who say God speaks to them but it's hard to check the veracity of these claims.

Or is it? Harold Camping springs to mind.

It's interesting that so many are prepared to accept without question the words of God from 1000, 2000, 3000 or so years ago, but if some dude today claims God is talking to him he is regarded as deranged.

Hmmm. I can't quite work out the problem. Nah. They can't work it out and it shows.

 

[Emre_1974tr]

Interesting that the mention of the place of eternal punishment only gets up in the Koran and in the New Testament and not in the Old Testament. I assume Muslims do recognise the OT to some degree. The God/Allah that Muslims worship is the God of Abraham is he not?

1- I said Like the reward of the good, the punishment of evil/bad men is the result of his (Allah's) mercy, goodness and perfection.

2- According to the Qur'an, Paradise is endless. But hell can be the end because there are expressions that make you think.

3- There is no true and complete Torah. Your Old and New Testements are like hadith books. Not Real Torah or Bible.

 

[Craig4]

1- I said Like the reward of the good, the punishment of evil/bad men is the result of his (Allah's) mercy, goodness and perfection.

2- According to the Qur'an, Paradise is endless. But hell can be the end because there are expressions that make you think.

3- There is no true and complete Torah. Your Old and New Testements are like hadith books. Not Real Torah or Bible.

So your book says. Momo was a liar, fraud, insane or some combination thereof.

 

[Craig4]

The evidence, the verses inside and outside, show us the truth. The superstitions are forbidden. You are only asked to believe in evidence-based real information.

No, you're asked to believe the ratings of a corrupt Bedouin.