Ed The Miracles Continue ...

[Nay_Sayer]

You keep echoing that unsupported claim as though after a certain number of iterations we would accept it. It's not working. Peddle your woo somewhere else.

This is the price of religion, It's like a cancer that eats away at the parts of the brain responsible for critical thinking and honesty.

 

[Donn]

I give you credit for being persistent. Persistent...But boring.

And yellow, like Fuligo septica, for running away from mould sex! For shame. What would Muhammad think?!

 

[Emre_1974tr]

"Upper part of pyramids were baked and then cast like modern cement.

For centuries, Egyptologists and geologists thought that the Egyptian pyramids were made of limestone blocks (up to 70 tons) that were quarried by chiseling limestone. Workers then carried those blocks up the pyramids on ramps. This building procedure was thought to be so superhuman that it made the pyramids become one of the Seven Wonders of the World. However today electron microscopes revealed that the blocks at the top have chemistries found nowhere in nature. Those blocks at the top must have been baked and then cast like modern cement (not chiseled from existing limestone).

However 1400 years ago the Quran said that Pharaoh used baked clay (like modern cement; not chiseled limestone) to build their high rises:


[Quran 28.38] And Pharaoh said to his people: "I have not known a god for you other than myself; so Haman, light me a fire to bake clay so that I could build a rise high enough, maybe I see Moses' god whom I think is a liar."



http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/pyramids.htm

https://www.livescience.com/1554-surprising-truth-great-pyramids-built.html

 

[Peregrinus]

"Upper part of pyramids were baked and then cast like modern cement.

No, they weren't despite what some desert ruffian might claim. And that's not how modern cement is made, either.

 

[Peregrinus]

Nemmine.

 

[abaddon]

"Upper part of pyramids were baked and then cast like modern cement.

For centuries, Egyptologists and geologists thought that the Egyptian pyramids were made of limestone blocks (up to 70 tons) that were quarried by chiseling limestone. Workers then carried those blocks up the pyramids on ramps. This building procedure was thought to be so superhuman that it made the pyramids become one of the Seven Wonders of the World. However today electron microscopes revealed that the blocks at the top have chemistries found nowhere in nature. Those blocks at the top must have been baked and then cast like modern cement (not chiseled from existing limestone).

However 1400 years ago the Quran said that Pharaoh used baked clay (like modern cement; not chiseled limestone) to build their high rises:


[Quran 28.38] And Pharaoh said to his people: "I have not known a god for you other than myself; so Haman, light me a fire to bake clay so that I could build a rise high enough, maybe I see Moses' god whom I think is a liar."



http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/pyramids.htm

https://www.livescience.com/1554-surprising-truth-great-pyramids-built.html

Strange claim. The egyptians had ceased building pyramids centuries before Moses showed up.

 

[Filippo Lippi]

And Moses never existed

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

Even if that claim was correct, why would it be a miracle that the people of the time knew how the pyramids were built?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Baking clay to make blocks?

That would be bricks then?

It's not a miracle that the writer of the Quaran knew about bricks in the 7th century.

The top of the Pyramids are no different to the bottoms of the pyramids. They aren't made of bricks apart from the later Middle Kingdom and onward examples that are obviously made from mud all the way up.

 

[Filippo Lippi]

Mud brick? A miracle.

Heal an amputee. Sorry, early closing, come back tomorrow when we'll amaze you with some coincidence about ants

 

[Emre_1974tr]

"Upper part of pyramids were baked and then cast like modern cement.

For centuries, Egyptologists and geologists thought that the Egyptian pyramids were made of limestone blocks (up to 70 tons) that were quarried by chiseling limestone. Workers then carried those blocks up the pyramids on ramps. This building procedure was thought to be so superhuman that it made the pyramids become one of the Seven Wonders of the World. However today electron microscopes revealed that the blocks at the top have chemistries found nowhere in nature. Those blocks at the top must have been baked and then cast like modern cement (not chiseled from existing limestone).

However 1400 years ago the Quran said that Pharaoh used baked clay (like modern cement; not chiseled limestone) to build their high rises:


[Quran 28.38] And Pharaoh said to his people: "I have not known a god for you other than myself; so Haman, light me a fire to bake clay so that I could build a rise high enough, maybe I see Moses' god whom I think is a liar."



http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/pyramids.htm

https://www.livescience.com/1554-surprising-truth-great-pyramids-built.html

https://www.geopolymer.org/archaeology/pyramids/pyramids-3-the-formula-the-invention-of-stone/

 

[Peregrinus]

https://www.geopolymer.org/archaeology/pyramids/pyramids-3-the-formula-the-invention-of-stone/

"Invention of stone" my left ventricle. And, from this 2006 article we get such brilliancies as "Thanks to the geopolymer chemistry, the chemical reaction generates natural elements, minerals that can be analyzed as natural if scientists are not aware of their artificial nature."*

It is quite possible to make "synthetic" limestone. But in quantities needed for the great pyramids at Giza, it's simpler, quicker & cheaper to go to the nearby quarries whose stone matches exactly that of the pyramids and where tooling signs (as well as workers' graffiti) can be found in great numbers. Rube Goldberg** did not build the pyramids.

*It's a poor chemist/geologist who can't distinguish limestone from concrete.

**Betcha Kumar doesn't recognize the reference. And it's quite certain he doesn't understand the law of parsimony.

 

[Emre_1974tr]

And:

https://www.davidovits.info/the-pyramids-in-bosnia-europe-perhaps-in-roman-concrete/

 

[Emre_1974tr]

"The embryo attaches itself to the mother to feed, just like a leech attaches itself to a host to feed. Also bones form before muscles. This was only known recently. However 1400 years ago it was all stated in the Quran in the correct order:

[Quran 23.14] Then We developed the semen into a leech. Then We developed the leech into a lump. Then We developed the lump into bones. Then We clothed the bones with flesh. Then We produced it into another creature. Most Blessed is Allah, the Best of Creators. "

http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/human_embryo.htm

 

[Filippo Lippi]

This is so unlike foetal development, it's miraculous

 

[Andy_Ross]

A Leech?

 

[Hungry81]

"The embryo attaches itself to the mother to feed, just like a leech attaches itself to a host to feed. Also bones form before muscles. This was only known recently. However 1400 years ago it was all stated in the Quran in the correct order:

[Quran 23.14] Then We developed the semen into a leech. Then We developed the leech into a lump. Then We developed the lump into bones. Then We clothed the bones with flesh. Then We produced it into another creature. Most Blessed is Allah, the Best of Creators. "

http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/human_embryo.htm

Lolololololololololololololol.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

"The embryo attaches itself to the mother to feed, just like a leech attaches itself to a host to feed. Also bones form before muscles. This was only known recently.

One would think that over time, the unfortunate results of miscarriages would give thinking people a clue as to the stages of fetal development - no miracle required.

 

[Porpoise of Life]

Wow, people in the 7th century had some basic knowledge of the world around them.
Surely, the only explanation for that is a magic bearded man in the sky!

 

[Scorpion]

"The embryo attaches itself to the mother to feed, just like a leech attaches itself to a host to feed. Also bones form before muscles. This was only known recently. However 1400 years ago it was all stated in the Quran in the correct order:

[Quran 23.14] Then We developed the semen into a leech. Then We developed the leech into a lump. Then We developed the lump into bones. Then We clothed the bones with flesh. Then We produced it into another creature. Most Blessed is Allah, the Best of Creators. "

http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/human_embryo.htm

I wrote a piece on this .
Sura 22.5.

Quran sura 22.5 O Mankind! if ye have a doubt about the resurrection (consider) that we created you out of dust, then out of sperm, then out of a leech like clot, then out of a morsel of flesh partly formed and partly unformed, in order that we may manifest (our power) to you. And we cause whom we will to rest in the wombs for an appropriate term. Then do we bring you out as babes, then (foster you) That ye may reach your age of full strength; Translated By Yusuf Ali.

Anyone who believes this brief verse in the quran referring to the embryo is a revelation from God should study the writings of Galen. He was born in AD129 and his writings are a truly staggering insight into the workings of the human body for such a time. He discusses the function of the womb and the uterus, and the development of the embryo and foetus. Most of his knowledge came from observation and the dissection of animals, and most of his false assumptions doubtlessly come from the fact he did not dissect human bodies.
His works were originally written in Greek, but were translated into Latin and Arabic. Such knowledge was in the world 500 years before Muhammad's time, and Hippocrates made astounding medical observations one thousand years before Muhammad. Since sura 22 was reputedlty revealed in Madinah, or during the later Makkan period Muhammad had already spent ten years or more aquiring the spoils of War, and it is known that books were highly prised items, so knowledge of Galen's writings could have been acquired from looted manuscripts.

Here are some brief extracts from Galens, On the natural faculties, book3. These texts being rich in detailed factual observations.

"For, as we know it takes nine months in most women for the foetus to attain maturity in the womb, this organ having its neck quite closed, and entirely surrounding the embryo together with the chorion."

The following quote shows Galen fully understood the role of sex in the reproductive process.

"The women believe they have received the semen which comes from the male, and they are retaining it."

Finally Galen shows that Hippocrates(c 460-c370 BC) before him was aware of details of pregnancy 500 years earlier.

"Hippocrates, who was the first of all physicians and philosophers to declare that the os uteri closes during pregnancy and inflammation."

Predating this detailed Greek scientific knowledge formed from observation and dissection of near human animals, the bible itself shows knowledge of the womb and conception.

The word womb appears 71 times in the King James Bible. Here are some pertinent extracts.

OT Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly, I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

OT Hosea 9:14 Give them, O Lord; what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.

NT Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

NT Luke 1:41 And it came to pass, that when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost.

Here is one of many verses that states man was formed from dust.
OT Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man out of the dust of the Ground,
The bible also talks of the seed of copulation at Leviticus 15:16 and 15:17 and 15:18. So there is no revelation in using the word sperm, and in fact other English translations, such as Pickthall use the word seed, not sperm, so the exact translation of the Arabic word makes no difference to the implication that such knowledge was in the world.
In short there is no new information in the quran concerning the birth process, unless one claims that the mention of a leech like clot of blood is a revelation that describes a new embryo. But for a man who had eleven wives, and was fully aware of the links between menstrual blood, and the lack of it during pregnancy, it only took one miscarriage for him to see a tiny foetus for himself.
Therefore verse 22.5 of the quran did not require any revelation from God, as Muhammad could have been well aware of most of what is involved in the natural process of gestation.