The Massei/Mignini Conspiracy Theory

[RoseMontague]

Here is another reference:

In addiction to this the consultant remembered that a stain of presumed blood substance with a hair formation was found on the window, trying to suggest that the intruder injured himself against the latch. The chemical analysis didn't sort anything. For some reason Dr Patrizia/Mrs Stefanoni didn't outdo herself this time. Apparently the beautiful biologist this time didn't force the machine to take some alleles out at all costs. Just by coincidence, it was black hair.

http://perugia-shock.blogspot.com/2009/07/carabiniere-to-save-raffaele-sollecito.html

 

[christianahannah]

Here is another reference:



http://perugia-shock.blogspot.com/2009/07/carabiniere-to-save-raffaele-sollecito.html

There were several hair found at the crime scene and mentioned in the Massei Motivations (the one you reference above as well as several others). They were tested and yielded no results.

The hair were not descriptive (in the motivations) as being from any particular group of persons. In some of the photos/video one can see several swirls/strands of hair which perhaps were Meredith's (they appear to be dark and long).

 

[RoseMontague]

There were several hair found at the crime scene and mentioned in the Massei Motivations (the one you reference above as well as several others). They were tested and yielded no results.

The hair were not descriptive (in the motivations) as being from any particular group of persons. In some of the photos/video one can see several swirls/strands of hair which perhaps were Meredith's (they appear to be dark and long).

Have you seen pictures of either the hair that Frank mentions that was tested (windowsill with blood) or the "hair" formations under Meredith's fingernails that were not tested (mentioned in the Massei report as only examined under a microscope). From Amanda's appeal:

The further out that attention should be placed under the fingernails is that of Meredith were found <<formations hair>>, as is evident from reading genetic relationships. A thorough review of training in hair word, by analysis of mitochondrial DNA would allow more information about the authorship of those hairs, it was not conducted.

 

[Amazer]

No, you misunderstood.

No, i didn´t misunderstand. I saw your efforts to move the goalposts.

So, where´s the evidence that the interview/interrogation continued after 1:45?

 

[Kaosium]

No, i didn´t misunderstand. I saw your efforts to move the goalposts.

So, where´s the evidence that the interview/interrogation continued after 1:45?

In the answer to that question you've been dodging. That's what ILE says, that's what the statement of 5:45 says, that's what Amanda says, and that's what I say.

Now we're all wondering what you're saying! Please clear it up for us, I'm afraid you might be confusing the people playing at home. What do you believe happened in that interrogation?

 

[Kaosium]

According to Barbie Nadeau on Page 105 of Angel Face a "black hair that was consistant with someone of African descent" was found at the murder scene.

Here is another reference:



http://perugia-shock.blogspot.com/2009/07/carabiniere-to-save-raffaele-sollecito.html

Thank you Rose!

There were several hair found at the crime scene and mentioned in the Massei Motivations (the one you reference above as well as several others). They were tested and yielded no results.

The hair were not descriptive (in the motivations) as being from any particular group of persons. In some of the photos/video one can see several swirls/strands of hair which perhaps were Meredith's (they appear to be dark and long).

I wonder if they're the same as these hairs? They would have revealed results alright, just not of anyone they had in custody, as Rudy wouldn't be back for another week.

However what I was thinking about was something Frank posted about early in the investigation and later noted wasn't entered into evidence.

 

[RoseMontague]

Thank you Rose!





I wonder if they're the same as these hairs? They would have revealed results alright, just not of anyone they had in custody, as Rudy wouldn't be back for another week.

However what I was thinking about was something Frank posted about early in the investigation and later noted wasn't entered into evidence.

Do you have a better link? That one is not working.

 

[Kaosium]

Do you have a better link? That one is not working.

The Times has been wonky all morning, it just worked when I clicked it before I responded to this post, but at times it just gets hung up and never comes up.

 

[christianahannah]

Have you seen pictures of either the hair that Frank mentions that was tested (windowsill with blood) or the "hair" formations under Meredith's fingernails that were not tested (mentioned in the Massei report as only examined under a microscope). From Amanda's appeal:

I don't believe there was any hair found underneath Meredith's fingernails but around her body/hands (that was why the hands were bagged to preserve this evidence). The hair were examined under a microscope and I believe also tested, according to this sentence from page 190 of the motivations. This does not say the hair was unsuitable for testing, but rather gave no results. There were other hair found at the crime scene which were stated as not being suitable for testing.

As for what appeared to be hairlike filaments found on the victim's body, when examined under a microscope they appeared to be strands of wool and gave no results.

I have not seen the presumed blood or hair in Filomena's room up close in a photo. I suspect that the linked photo from IIP, marked O with references R and S may be the location of these findings but it is only a guess based on this section from the motivations, page 193.

http://injusticeinperugia.com/104.JPG

In Filomena Romanelli's room a few items were tested: a hairlike fibre [formazione pilifera] on the lower part of the window frame, and a presumed haematological substance on the wooden part of the window which held the broken pane. Both of these items yielded negative results on analysis.

These two references (R and S) could also be in relation the latch/broken window. A list of evidence and its corresponding reference would be helpful.

 

[Katody Matrass]

Thank you Rose!





I wonder if they're the same as these hairs?

"Meredith Kercher 'could have grabbed murderer's hair"

"Italian police investigating the murder of Meredith Kercher are testing blood-smeared hairs found in her hand that could have come from her killer or killers, it emerged today."


So the facts as we know them are:

There's no doubt cops found something they presumed to be hair in Meredith's hand.

Under microscopic evaluation (but no DNA tests) it was later determined to be a wool fiber.
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here's an interesting Wikipedia entry: Wooly hair
...hair typical of those of sub-Saharan ancestry

Is it so far fetched that before the microscopic results came, cops could have had some suspicions that hair to be of an attacker of African origin?

 

[RoseMontague]

There does seem to be a lot of anecdotal evidence pointing that way. It seems to me that the early reports indicate the cops had an interest in men of African origin and it would make sense that the reason for that was some piece of evidence that they felt led in that direction. It goes back to the question of what version of events did the police know to be true and if Amanda was indeed telling the truth that the police were suggesting to her that Patrick was the killer. If they also had some knowledge of the phone records of Patrick and Amanda it would just add to the evidence for this theory. The fact is they were correct that a man of African origin was involved, they just did not have the right one.

 

[Amazer]

In the answer to that question you've been dodging. That's what ILE says, that's what the statement of 5:45 says, that's what Amanda says, and that's what I say.

Now we're all wondering what you're saying! Please clear it up for us, I'm afraid you might be confusing the people playing at home. What do you believe happened in that interrogation?

ILE halted the interview after the 1:45 statement, when her status was changed from witness to suspect. But you know that already....

So where's your evidence that interview continued after this point?

 

[Katody Matrass]

Some more undisputed facts:

Just before Meredith's murder, Amanda Knox, a girl whose behavior attracted cops attention (as they claim) exchanged text messages with an African, a man well known in town as an owner of a club. After that Amanda's phone went off grid.
By the time of the overnight interrogation the cops had already wiretapped Amanda's phone.​

Now, is it far fetched that they also had received her phone logs by that time and were aware of the SMS exchange with her African boss?

It's not a theory I'm clinging to, but I'd say it is possible and in fact probable that the cops found that SMS exchange a bit suspicious and did make a connection between the woolly hair in Meredith's hand and the African ancestry of Amanda's boss, thus including him in the circle of potential culprits. And it happened before Giobbi ordered them to bring Amanda for interrogation.

 

[RoseMontague]

I was just thinking of a timeline only this one would be the Mignini timeline. I would think that he got a call almost immediately after Amanda's 1:45 statement and he would have headed over to the Questura shortly after that. If he gets there an hour later what was he doing for the next 3 hours? Does anyone remember seeing this sequence, times, and actions of Mignini?

 

[Kaosium]

ILE halted the interview after the 1:45 statement, when her status was changed from witness to suspect. But you know that already....

So where's your evidence that interview continued after this point?

There's four links in 'ILE says' in the post you responded to and if you click on them you'll find the specific evidence you're looking for. From the 'E:'

"In the meantime Amanda is fed and taken care (according to Monica). But then, at 3:30 it will be her turn to be interviewed. That's what happens when you go uninvited to such lounges.
The disaster will be completed at 5:45 with the dancer in tears and accepting to accuse Patrick. And, indirectly, herself."

From the 'I:'

Ms Knox, 21, who shared the hillside cottage where the murder took place with Ms Kercher and two Italian women, was interrogated from midnight until 5.45 on the morning of November 6, 2007

Note that at one point PMF came up with a better story on the interrogation than the police did, but all that hard work came to naught when the police just up and lied through their teeth about it. It has just occurred to me that must be why they simply won't talk about it anymore.

 

[Amazer]

There's four links in 'ILE says' in the post you responded to and if you click on them you'll find the specific evidence you're looking for. From the 'E:'



From the 'I:'



Note that at one point PMF came up with a better story on the interrogation than the police did, but all that hard work came to naught when the police just up and lied through their teeth about it. It has just occurred to me that must be why they simply won't talk about it anymore.

I hope you understand that I do not put much stock in `evidence´ coming from a fan site. I wouldn´t accept it from PMF and likewise I don´t accept if from Perugia Shock.

That leaves you with possible source of evidence, namely the ´The Times´ article. And there it´s also mentioned that the interrogation was halted. So even that article doesn´t do much to support your claim.

Care to try again?

 

[stilicho]

According to Barbie Nadeau on Page 105 of Angel Face a "black hair that was consistant with someone of African descent" was found at the murder scene.

How did that get represented in the courtroom? Whom is she quoting? Did she really misspell the word consistent?

(Source: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/consistant )

 

[stilicho]

I hope you understand that I do not put much stock in `evidence´ coming from a fan site. I wouldn´t accept it from PMF and likewise I don´t accept if from Perugia Shock.

That leaves you with possible source of evidence, namely the ´The Times´ article. And there it´s also mentioned that the interrogation was halted. So even that article doesn´t do much to support your claim.

Care to try again?

The content of the two statements is what's important regardless. Whether Amanda was being waterboarded for a further four hours--as Michelle Moore has suggested--or she was already in her cell, demanding paper and pen, and asking to be heard by the PM (not the only time she's done that, either) who was then rousted from his slumber and trundled down to the police station--as most of evidence suggests--is not nearly as important as the stark distinctions in each statement.

There are clear embellishments in the 05:45 statement, including Amanda's newly-found abiding fear of her employer. Her own explanation for changing her story in signed and/or handwritten documentation over a roughly ten hour period was a combination of frustration, confusion, and imagination. She remains the only source for any allegation of mistreatment (apart from her parents who are presently defending themselves against charges in that regard) and has never denied that she was supplied with plenty of opportunity for food, water, and rest.

The content of each of the statements (combined with the 04 NOV 2007 alibi email) demonstrate a woman in the throes of desperation at being unable to convince anyone that she was not a liar. Her court testimony reinforced this assessment.

 

[LashL]

So you´re dropping the bit about the interrogation continueing after 1:45... some progress at least.

So, where´s the evidence that the interview/interrogation continued after 1:45?

ILE halted the interview after the 1:45 statement, when her status was changed from witness to suspect. But you know that already....

So where's your evidence that interview continued after this point?

??? Leaving aside the sheer fiction that Ms. Knox was not considered a "suspect" prior to 1:45 a.m., I don't think there is any dispute whatsoever that Ms. Knox was further interviewed/interrogated beginning around 3:00 - 3:30 a.m. and that the latter session resulted in the 5:45 a.m. 'statement' being written.

 

[banquetbear]

??? Leaving aside the sheer fiction that Ms. Knox was not considered a "suspect" prior to 1:45 a.m., I don't think there is any dispute whatsoever that Ms. Knox was further interviewed/interrogated beginning around 3:00 - 3:30 a.m. and that the latter session resulted in the 5:45 a.m. 'statement' being written.

...cite that Amanda was legally considered a suspect prior to 1:45 a.m?