The Massei/Mignini Conspiracy Theory

The people reading who saw the flaw in your post. Most of them probably agree with the post that pointed it out.

In that case, I'm sure they can all voice their own opinions if they want to, without others presuming to do it on their behalf.


You do not seem to like the Italian authorities.

I have no problem with the Italian authorities, or with authorities in general. It's just my opnion of what might have happened in this case.
 
It's not an assumption. It's an implication. Yes, sophistry could support an argument that perhaps the "facts" de Felice was referring to were the "fact" that Meredith screamed (still not an established fact, incidentally), or that she was sexually assaulted (which was known by the whole world by November 5th, before Knox's interrogation).

So you don't know what facts de Felice was referring to. That's OK.

I take it that you're going to withdraw your allegations against Arturo de Felice and the Perugian Flying Squad.
 
It doesn't clearly imply anything of the sort. Knox provided information about a sexual assault that had been already postulated by the police. Where does Arturo de Felice state or imply that the facts they already knew included the participation of Lumumba?

Here's the full quotation, according to Newsweek (my emphasis):
"Initially the American gave a version of events we knew was not correct," Perugia police chief Arturo de Felice told reporters. "She buckled and made an admission of facts we knew were correct and from that we were able to bring them all in. They all participated but had different roles."
 
Here's the full quotation, according to Newsweek (my emphasis):

Ahh good point, thanks. I'd forgotten about that part of his quote. I guess that pretty much settles the issue then. Of course, even without that, it's pretty obvious (to me) what he was referring to, but some people still seem determined to argue against it. Their prerogative, I guess :)
 
The Statements

LJ,

That statement doesn't imply anything of the sort. That is just your bias showing.

Here are the statements, downloadable here at the bottom of the page:

TRANSLATION

QUESTURA DI PERUGIA
SQUADRA MOBILE

Re: Minutes of the information conveyed by:
KNOX Amanda Marie, born in Washington (U.S.A.) on July 9th 1987, domiciled in Perugia, Via della Pergola n. 7; identified by means of Passport n. 422687114 issued by the Government of the U.S.A. on June 13th 2007, tel. 3484673590

On November 6th 2007, at 01.45, in Perugia at the Offices of the Squadra Mobile of the Questura of Perugia. Before the undersigned Officers of the Judicial Authority Chief Inspector, FICARRA Rita, assisted by ZUGARINI Lorena and RAFFO Ivano, respectively on duty at the office above mentioned in the epigraph and in presence of the person mentioned in the re who sufficiently understands and speaks Italian, assisted by the English-speaking interpreter Anna Donnino, who, in relation to the death of KERCHER Meredith Susanna Cara and after the precedent declarations, declares the following: ----------------------
“In order to complete what has been retailed before by means of precedent declarations made at this Office, I wish to clarify that I know and see other people who have also come to my house sometimes and who have also met Meredith and of whom I will provide the relevant mobile numbers ----------------------------------------------------
One of these people is Patrik, a colored citizen who is about 1,70-1,75 cm tall, with braids, owner of the pub “Le Chic” located in Via Alessi and I know that he lives in the area near the roundabout of Porta Pesa. Tel. 393387195723, pub where I work twice a week on Mondays and on Thursdays, from 22.00 until about 2.00. -----------------------------------------------
Last Thursday 1st November, day on which I usually work, while I was in the apartment of my boyfriend Raffaele, at about 20.30 I received a message from Patrick on my mobile, telling me that that evening the pub would remain closed because there were no people, therefore I didn’t have to go to work. ----------------------------------------------------------------
I replied to the message saying that we would meet immediately, therefore I went out telling my boyfriend that I had to go to work. I wish to state first that in the afternoon I had smoked a joint with Raffaele, therefore I felt confused because I do not usually make use of narcotics nor harder drugs. -------------------------------------------------------
I met Patrick soon after at the basketball court of Piazza Grimana and we went home. I do not remember if Meredith was already there or if she came later. I find it difficult to remember those moments but Patrick had sex with Meredith with whom he was infatuated but I do not remember well if Meredith had been threatened before. I vaguely remember that he killed her. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Office acknowledges that the statement stops here and KNOX Amanda is put at the disposal of the proceeding Judicial Authority.--------------------------------------------------------
F.L.C.S.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Declaring The recording people

Signed Signed




TRANSLATION

QUESTURA DI PERUGIA
SQUADRA MOBILE

Re: Minutes of the information conveyed by:
KNOX Amanda Marie, born in Washington (U.S.A.) on July 9th 1987, domiciled in Perugia, Via della Pergola n. 7; identified by means of Passport n. 422687114 issued by the Government of the U.S.A. on June 13th 2007, tel. 3484673590.-

On November 6th 2007, at 05.45, in Perugia at the Offices of the Squadra Mobile of the Questura. Before the Undersigned Dr. MIGNINI Giuliano Deputy Prosecutor of the Public Prosecutor’s Office of the Republic at the Court of Perugia and before the Judicial Police Officers Chief Inspector, FICARRA Rita, respectively on duty at the office above mentioned in the epigraph and in presence of the person mentioned in the re who although sufficiently understands and speaks Italian is assisted by the English-speaking interpreter Anna Donnino and who in relation to the death of KERCHER Meredith Susanna Cara, declares the following: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I wish to relate spontaneously what happened because these events have deeply bothered me and I am really afraid of Patrick, the African boy who owns the pub called “Le Chic” located in Via Alessi where I work periodically. I met him in the evening of November 1st 2007, after sending him a reply message saying “I will see you”. We met soon after at about 21.00 at the basketball court of Piazza Grimana. We went to my apartment in Via della Pergola n. 7. I do not clearly remember if Meredith was already at home or if she came later, what I can say is that Patrick and Meredith went into Meredith’s room, while I think I stayed in the kitchen. I cannot remember how long they stayed together in the room but I can only say that at a certain point I heard Meredith screaming and as I was scared I plugged up my hears. Then I do not remember anything, I am very confused. I do not remember if Meredith was screaming and if I heard some thuds too because I was upset, but I imagined what could have happened.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I have met Patrick this morning, in front of the Università Per Stranieri and he has asked me some questions, to be more accurate he wanted to know what the Policemen had asked me. I think he has also asked me if I wanted to see some journalists, maybe in order to know if I knew anything about Meredith’s death.- I am not sure if Raffaele was there as well that night but I clearly remember that I woke up at my boyfriend’s home, in his bed and that I came back home in the morning when I found the door of the apartment open. When I woke up in the morning of November 2nd I was in bed with my boyfriend.------------------------------------
It is acknowledged that KNOX repeatedly brings her hands on her head and shakes it.---------
Read confirmed and undersigned at the time and in the place mentioned above.------------------

The Declarant The recording people

Signed Signed

Therefore I don't understand on what basis anyone is arguing with LondonJohn about this. Here is the 'admission of facts.' The only thing of significance is that Patrick is involved. There's no details of the crime, none of the rest of it ever happened outside the phone message, and obviously Amanda never met Patrick so that couldn't have been any part of an 'admission of facts we know to be correct.' The police don't have the forensics back anyway, thus they wouldn't know any of those details regardless. Raffaele isn't even really in these statements, at least regarding the actual murder.
 
So you don't know what facts de Felice was referring to. That's OK.

I take it that you're going to withdraw your allegations against Arturo de Felice and the Perugian Flying Squad.

While you're making your list I'd like to make an allegation against Arturo de Felice and the Perugian Flying Squad!

I allege they blew that interrogation entirely, stressed out a traumatized girl barely out of her teens and she freaked. Twelve cops aggressively interrogating her for the fourth day in a row totaling over forty hours at the police station that week was just too much. In the middle of the night she broke down and told them what they wanted to hear, because they had temporarily convinced her it must be true. So she signed two statements in Italian legalese, which she barely read at the time, that she 'vaguely' and 'confusedly' 'remembered' that Patrick Lumumba had raped and murdered Meredith.

They suspected him due to his SIMS card change, the black hair that curiously never showed up in evidence, and the text with Amanda. They thought she might have been at the cottage because of the CCTV footage and that a stoned Raffaele had just agreed she must have left that night, mixing it up with Halloween. They then went out to arrest Patrick thinking they had solved the crime, not realizing everything they based their decisions on was false, misinterpreted, or incompetently handled.

Please enclose my sincerest wishes and inform that I await my calunnia charge with relish, as I have been studying up on it and one thing I know is to be guilty of it you must know it is untrue. I'm pretty damn sure that something close to the above took place and they can prove me wrong by producing the tapes of that interrogation; everything after 1:45 was required by Italian law. I'm close to certain they taped the whole night anyway, being as they taped just about everything else and as this was their big breaking party they didn't 'forget' to turn on the cameras. I think they're lying, and they can cough them up and prove me wrong. :p

Kaosium
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While you're making your list I'd like to make an allegation against Arturo de Felice and the Perugian Flying Squad!

I allege they blew that interrogation entirely, stressed out a traumatized girl barely out of her teens and she freaked. Twelve cops aggressively interrogating her for the fourth day in a row totaling over forty hours at the police station that week was just too much. In the middle of the night she broke down and told them what they wanted to hear, because they had temporarily convinced her it must be true. So she signed two statements in Italian legalese, which she barely read at the time, that she 'vaguely' and 'confusedly' 'remembered' that Patrick Lumumba had raped and murdered Meredith.

They suspected him due to his SIMS card change, the black hair that curiously never showed up in evidence, and the text with Amanda. They thought she might have been at the cottage because of the CCTV footage and that a stoned Raffaele had just agreed she must have left that night, mixing it up with Halloween. They then went out to arrest Patrick thinking they had solved the crime, not realizing everything they based their decisions on was false, misinterpreted, or incompetently handled.

Please enclose my sincerest wishes and inform that I await my calunnia charge with relish, as I have been studying up on it and one thing I know is to be guilty of it you must know it is untrue. I'm pretty damn sure that something close to the above took place and they can prove me wrong by producing the tapes of that interrogation; everything after 1:45 was required by Italian law. I'm close to certain they taped the whole night anyway, being as they taped just about everything else and as this was their big breaking party they didn't 'forget' to turn on the cameras. I think they're lying, and they can cough them up and prove me wrong. :p

Kaosium
:)

Amazing post, Kaosium! :D
Can I add something to your excellent and most plausible characterisation of the interrogations of 5th / 6th?
Much is made of Amanda's 'weird' behaviour in the days following the murder. You characterise Amanda's state of mind as traumatised, and I agree and I wanted to expand on that a bit.
I think much of the psychological evidence which made the police suspect her, is actually evidence of shock and grief of a young girl in the middle of the worst experience she'd ever had- having her friend and room mate violently murdered in their home.

How many of us have been around someone who has grieved or have grieved themselves? How many of us manage it gracefully and in completely socially-accepted ways? I'd say not many. How many of us have lost their temper with platitudes- 'Of course she suffered....', or taken comfort in a relationship that others might not approve of, or busied themselves with menial but necessary practical activities (such as buying underwear), or tried to detach themselves emotionally slightly so as to stop being a complete sobbing mess so that they had some energy left for the practical realities of life?


She says at various points during those days that she's having trouble sleeping, having dreams. A perfectly natural response to being so close to this kind of tragedy, this kind of violence, is to have vivid, disturbing dreams. She trusts the police, and when they lie and tell her they have incontravertible evidence putting her at the scene she doesn't suspect that they are lying (apart from anything else, she doesn't have any reason to think they suspect her), she starts to distrust her own memory. When they insist that she was there and tell her she must try to remember, that she's probably lost her memory due to trauma, she tries.
Add that to the fact that when the police start making a big deal out of a text to Patrick, and that they suspect Patrick, Amanda's interpretation is that: the police already have evidence against Patrick, but they don't want to lead her too much for fear it won't have as much evidentiary value, so it's up to her to 'remember' and name Patrick, to get justice for Meredith.

That's how those two statements came about- the police led Amanda to believe that her nightmares about her friend's death were real.
 
In that case, I'm sure they can all voice their own opinions if they want to, without others presuming to do it on their behalf.

And some did. It was you who asked, not me.

I have no problem with the Italian authorities, or with authorities in general. It's just my opnion of what might have happened in this case.

Your bias you mean?
 
No, it doesn't make anything clearer. Arturo de Felice was either referring to Patrick Lumumba's involvement as a fact that the police knew beforehand or he wasn't. Which one is it?

LJ,
I can see stilicho's point here. The only problem is finding a piece of evidence contained in Amanda's statements that would confirm the version of events the cops had anticipated. Raffaele was not even there in Amanda's statements, no mention of knives or a bathroom cleanup, no mention of a staged break-in, no witness hearing a scream until much later, no witness seeing Amanda and Patrick together that night.

The only thing it could possibly be is Patrick's cell phone records, they knew he had exchanged texts with Amanda and that Patrick had changed SIM cards the day of the murder. So this must be it. Of course that means that the police probably did get Amanda to falsely accuse Patrick after all. Go figure.

Reading the original detention order (Mateini Report), there is no other evidence mentioned that was present in Amanda's statements that would confirm the version of events that the police just knew to be true (of course they were wrong anyway).
 
Amazing post, Kaosium! :D
Can I add something to your excellent and most plausible characterisation of the interrogations of 5th / 6th?
Much is made of Amanda's 'weird' behaviour in the days following the murder. You characterise Amanda's state of mind as traumatised, and I agree and I wanted to expand on that a bit.
I think much of the psychological evidence which made the police suspect her, is actually evidence of shock and grief of a young girl in the middle of the worst experience she'd ever had- having her friend and room mate violently murdered in their home.

How many of us have been around someone who has grieved or have grieved themselves? How many of us manage it gracefully and in completely socially-accepted ways? I'd say not many. How many of us have lost their temper with platitudes- 'Of course she suffered....', or taken comfort in a relationship that others might not approve of, or busied themselves with menial but necessary practical activities (such as buying underwear), or tried to detach themselves emotionally slightly so as to stop being a complete sobbing mess so that they had some energy left for the practical realities of life?


She says at various points during those days that she's having trouble sleeping, having dreams. A perfectly natural response to being so close to this kind of tragedy, this kind of violence, is to have vivid, disturbing dreams. She trusts the police, and when they lie and tell her they have incontravertible evidence putting her at the scene she doesn't suspect that they are lying (apart from anything else, she doesn't have any reason to think they suspect her), she starts to distrust her own memory. When they insist that she was there and tell her she must try to remember, that she's probably lost her memory due to trauma, she tries.
Add that to the fact that when the police start making a big deal out of a text to Patrick, and that they suspect Patrick, Amanda's interpretation is that: the police already have evidence against Patrick, but they don't want to lead her too much for fear it won't have as much evidentiary value, so it's up to her to 'remember' and name Patrick, to get justice for Meredith.

That's how those two statements came about- the police led Amanda to believe that her nightmares about her friend's death were real.

Very interesting points, I've always wondered why some would be so 'suspicious' of odd behavior from a girl who just had her roommate killed mere yards from where she slept.

Also I agree that 'helping' police, as ironic as it sounds now, was a motive of Amanda, which is in part why she spent so much time at the police station those four days after the murder. Of the 40+ hours at least fourteen were spent in interviews, which on the 4th started to get aggressive and could be termed interrogations, culminating in the overnight session which started at about 11:00 PM and ended at 5:45 AM on November 6th.

It can especially be seen in her note which I'm going to post below, as any account of the interrogation has to allow for her producing this note directly following the interrogation. As you can see she was still trying to 'help' police, at this point not even realizing what they have in store for her, having been told she needed to be arrested for 'bureaucratic' reasons so they could 'protect' her.

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/TheInterrogation.html

This is very strange, I know, but really what happened is as confusing to me as it is to everyone else. I have been told there is hard evidence saying that I was at the place of the murder of my friend when it happened. This, I want to confirm, is something that to me, if asked a few days ago, would be impossible.
I know that Raffaele has placed evidence against me, saying that I was not with him on the night of Meredith's murder, but let me tell you this. In my mind there are things I remember and things that are confused. My account of this story goes as follows, despite the evidence stacked against me:

On Thursday November 1 I saw Meredith the last time at my house when she left around 3 or 4 in the afternoon. Raffaele was with me at the time. We, Raffaele and I, stayed at my house for a little while longer and around 5 in the evening we left to watch the movie Amelie at his house. After the movie I received a message from Patrik [sic], for whom I work at the pub "Le Chic". He told me in this message that it wasn't necessary for me to come into work for the evening because there was no one at my work.

Now I remember to have also replied with the message: "See you later. Have a good evening!" and this for me does not mean that I wanted to meet him immediately. In particular because I said: "Good evening!" What happened after I know does not match up with what Raffaele was saying, but this is what I remember. I told Raffaele that I didn't have to work and that I could remain at home for the evening. After that I believe we relaxed in his room together, perhaps I checked my email. Perhaps I read or studied or perhaps I made love to Raffaele. In fact, I think I did make love with him.

However, I admit that this period of time is rather strange because I am not quite sure. I smoked marijuana with him and I might even have fallen asleep. These things I am not sure about and I know they are important to the case and to help myself, but in reality, I don't think I did much. One thing I do remember is that I took a shower with Raffaele and this might explain how we passed the time. In truth, I do not remember exactly what day it was, but I do remember that we had a shower and we washed ourselves for a long time. He cleaned my ears, he dried and combed my hair.

One of the things I am sure that definitely happened the night on which Meredith was murdered was that Raffaele and I ate fairly late, I think around 11 in the evening, although I can't be sure because I didn't look at the clock. After dinner I noticed there was blood on Raffaele's hand, but I was under the impression that it was blood from the fish. After we ate Raffaele washed the dishes but the pipes under his sink broke and water flooded the floor. But because he didn't have a mop I said we could clean it up tomorrow because we (Meredith, Laura, Filomena and I) have a mop at home. I remember it was quite late because we were both very tired (though I can't say the time).

The next thing I remember was waking up the morning of Friday November 2nd around 10am and I took a plastic bag to take back my dirty cloths to go back to my house. It was then that I arrived home alone that I found the door to my house was wide open and this all began. In regards to this "confession" that I made last night, I want to make clear that I'm very doubtful of the verity of my statements because they were made under the pressures of stress, shock and extreme exhaustion. Not only was I told I would be arrested and put in jail for 30 years, but I was also hit in the head when I didn't remember a fact correctly. I understand that the police are under a lot of stress, so I understand the treatment I received.

However, it was under this pressure and after many hours of confusion that my mind came up with these answers. In my mind I saw Patrik in flashes of blurred images. I saw him near the basketball court. I saw him at my front door. I saw myself cowering in the kitchen with my hands over my ears because in my head I could hear Meredith screaming. But I've said this many times so as to make myself clear: these things seem unreal to me, like a dream, and I am unsure if they are real things that happened or are just dreams my head has made to try to answer the questions in my head and the questions I am being asked.

But the truth is, I am unsure about the truth and here's why:

1. The police have told me that they have hard evidence that places me at the house, my house, at the time of Meredith's murder. I don't know what proof they are talking about, but if this is true, it means I am very confused and my dreams must be real.

2. My boyfriend has claimed that I have said things that I know are not true. I KNOW I told him I didn't have to work that night. I remember that moment very clearly. I also NEVER asked him to lie for me. This is absolutely a lie. What I don't understand is why Raffaele, who has always been so caring and gentle with me, would lie about this. What does he have to hide? I don't think he killed Meredith, but I do think he is scared, like me. He walked into a situation that he has never had to be in, and perhaps he is trying to find a way out by disassociating himself with me.

Honestly, I understand because this is a very scary situation. I also know that the police don't believe things of me that I know I can explain, such as:

1. I know the police are confused as to why it took me so long to call someone after I found the door to my house open and blood in the bathroom. The truth is, I wasn't sure what to think, but I definitely didn't think the worst, that someone was murdered. I thought a lot of things, mainly that perhaps someone got hurt and left quickly to take care of it. I also thought that maybe one of my roommates was having menstral [sic] problems and hadn't cleaned up. Perhaps I was in shock, but at the time I didn't know what to think and that's the truth. That is why I talked to Raffaele about it in the morning, because I was worried and wanted advice.

2. I also know that the fact that I can't fully recall the events that I claim took place at Raffaele's home during the time that Meredith was murdered is incriminating. And I stand by my statements that I made last night about events that could have taken place in my home with Patrik, but I want to make very clear that these events seem more unreal to me that what I said before, that I stayed at Raffaele's house.

3. I'm very confused at this time. My head is full of contrasting ideas and I know I can be frustrating to work with for this reason. But I also want to tell the truth as best I can. Everything I have said in regards to my involvement in Meredith's death, even though it is contrasting, are the best truth that I have been able to think.

[illegible section]

I'm trying, I really am, because I'm scared for myself. I know I didn't kill Meredith. That's all I know for sure. In these flashbacks that I'm having, I see Patrik as the murderer, but the way the truth feels in my mind, there is no way for me to have known because I don't remember FOR SURE if I was at my house that night. The questions that need answering, at least for how I'm thinking are:

1. Why did Raffaele lie? (or for you) Did Raffaele lie?
2. Why did I think of Patrik?
3. Is the evidence proving my pressance [sic] at the time and place of the crime reliable? If so, what does this say about my memory? Is it reliable?
4. Is there any other evidence condemning Patrik or any other person?
3. Who is the REAL murder [sic]? This is particularly important because I don't feel I can be used as condemning testimone [sic] in this instance.

I have a clearer mind that I've had before, but I'm still missing parts, which I know is bad for me. But this is the truth and this is what I'm thinking at this time. Please don't yell at me because it only makes me more confused, which doesn't help anyone. I understand how serious this situation is, and as such, I want to give you this information as soon and as clearly as possible.

If there are still parts that don't make sense, please ask me. I'm doing the best I can, just like you are. Please believe me at least in that, although I understand if you don't. All I know is that I didn't kill Meredith, and so I have nothing but lies to be afraid of.
 
Originally Posted by stilicho
It doesn't clearly imply anything of the sort. Knox provided information about a sexual assault that had been already postulated by the police. Where does Arturo de Felice state or imply that the facts they already knew included the participation of Lumumba?

Here's the full quotation, according to Newsweek (my emphasis):




Quote:
"Initially the American gave a version of events we knew was not correct," Perugia police chief Arturo de Felice told reporters. "She buckled and made an admission of facts we knew were correct and from that we were able to bring them all in. They all participated but had different roles."

That doesn't explain that one of the facts the police knew ahead of time was Patrick's involvement either. The police suspected someone else had been in the cottage that night as there were visible footprints and Meredith's door was locked with a key. As we know now, Amanda simply lied to them again on the early morning of 06 NOV 2007.

Kaosium has even helpfully compiled the three statements made by Amanda on that date and they too contain embellishments and inconsistencies. The evidence is right there that the woman couldn't keep her stories straight even when written and signed within hours of one another.

None of this requires foreknowledge or a police conspiracy to frame Knox.
 
That doesn't explain that one of the facts the police knew ahead of time was Patrick's involvement either. The police suspected someone else had been in the cottage that night as there were visible footprints and Meredith's door was locked with a key. As we know now, Amanda simply lied to them again on the early morning of 06 NOV 2007.

In your opinion, by the time of the all night interrogation, did the police have Amanda's phone logs already or didn't they? Did they know that the last phone activity on the night of murder was an SMS exchange with Lumumba?




Kaosium has even helpfully compiled the three statements made by Amanda on that date and they too contain embellishments and inconsistencies. The evidence is right there that the woman couldn't keep her stories straight even when written and signed within hours of one another.
That's your opinion and not unbiased I'm afraid.
When read keeping in mind the context of the all night interrogation without a lawyer by 12 cops - interrogation in which the cops decided it will be better to "forget" about recording it - those 3 statements paint a consistent and quite different scenario than you would like to believe.
 
LJ,
I can see stilicho's point here. The only problem is finding a piece of evidence contained in Amanda's statements that would confirm the version of events the cops had anticipated. Raffaele was not even there in Amanda's statements, no mention of knives or a bathroom cleanup, no mention of a staged break-in, no witness hearing a scream until much later, no witness seeing Amanda and Patrick together that night.

The only thing it could possibly be is Patrick's cell phone records, they knew he had exchanged texts with Amanda and that Patrick had changed SIM cards the day of the murder. So this must be it. Of course that means that the police probably did get Amanda to falsely accuse Patrick after all. Go figure.

Reading the original detention order (Mateini Report), there is no other evidence mentioned that was present in Amanda's statements that would confirm the version of events that the police just knew to be true (of course they were wrong anyway).

Exactly, that's the question that you missed, Stilicho, what is it that the cops anticipated and Amanda confirmed?
 
From Amanda's testimony:

AK: So when I was with the police, they asked if I heard Meredith's scream. I said no. They said "But if you were there, how could you not hear her scream? If you were there?" I said "Look, I don't know, maybe I had my ears covered." So they said "Fine, we'll write that down. Fine."

This would be after the 1:45AM statement as the scream was not mentioned in that statement. It sounds like she was being prompted to admit a version of events that the police thought were true, all taking place during a illegal questioning without a lawyer and after she became a suspect. It appears she was just agreeing with what they said because she was fed up with the questioning and wanted to go home.
 
From Amanda's testimony:

AK: Honestly, I thought, like the police had told me -- the police had told me they had already found the guilty person. And they had suggested Patrick so much that I thought maybe it really was him. But apart from that, in that memorandum that I wrote in prison, the important thing for me was to tell what I knew, and what I knew was where I was on that evening.

And here is the other fact mentioned in her statement as confirming the version of events that the police knew to be true.
 
So just where were the ones in charge of things during Amanda's interrogation?

1. Marco Chiacchiera, vice director, flying squad (in Questura control room).
2. Edgardo Giobbi, head of SCO, Rome (Questura control room).
3. Monica Napoleoni, homicide chief, Flying Squad (went back and forth between Amanda and Raffaele Sollecito’s interrogation rooms and Questura control room).

http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2010/10/05/amanda-knoxs-secret-world/

I wonder what they were watching in that control room of theirs? Maybe staring at the wall or something?
 
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So just where were the ones in charge of things during Amanda's interrogation?



http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2010/10/05/amanda-knoxs-secret-world/

I wonder what they were watching in that control room of theirs? Maybe staring at the wall or something?

Do you think it's one of those control rooms where they have 1-way glass / mirror?
Or do we think that's too low-tech to still exist? I guess there'd be no point with interrogation rooms fitted for video and audio.....
 
In your opinion, by the time of the all night interrogation, did the police have Amanda's phone logs already or didn't they? Did they know that the last phone activity on the night of murder was an SMS exchange with Lumumba?

I don't know and neither do you. We do know that the police did not question Patrick before Knox told them that he killed Meredith. As we now know, Amanda also had cell phone contact before and after her murder to a cocaine pedlar. Did they interview that individual before the evening of 05 NOV 2007?

There is so far no evidence whatsoever that the Perugia police conspired to frame Amanda. If they knew everything about the phone logs and wanted to "get" someone, they'd have gone after Amanda's drug dealer and not her boss.
 

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