The Marjorie Taylor Greene thread.

[Belz...]

I don't like the GOP any more then you do but to be fair most Democratic fundraisers are just about the same..overpriced tickets for a medicore dinner.
It's not nicknamed "The Rubber Chicken Circuit" in both parties for nothing.

There's a difference between "Hey, if you agree with us, give us some money to help us out." and "OH MY GOD THE IMMIGRANTS AND COMMUNISTS ARE COMING THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN GIVE US MONEY OR THE AMERICA YOU KNOW IS OVER OMG!!!"

 

[dudalb]

There's a difference between "Hey, if you agree with us, give us some money to help us out." and "OH MY GOD THE IMMIGRANTS AND COMMUNISTS ARE COMING THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN GIVE US MONEY OR THE AMERICA YOU KNOW IS OVER OMG!!!"

Oh, I agree, but you seemed to be criticising the price of tickets and the size of donations....and in this respect MTG was par for the course.

 

[Belz...]

Oh, I agree, but you seemed to be criticising the price of tickets and the size of donations....and in this respect MTG was par for the course.

No, I was commenting on the fact that _everything_ they do on that side comes with a price tag.

 

[dudalb]

No, I was commenting on the fact that _everything_ they do on that side comes with a price tag.

And the Dems are not much different in that regard. Standard political fund raising techniques.

 

[newyorkguy]

Greene's appearance at the Wilson County trump day dinner is routine? People paying $1,000 to attend an hour long private reception with a freshman member of Congress? The whole point seems to be, it is NOT routine. In Rep. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez's first three months in Congress in 2019 she fund-raised $728,000. Greene raised over four times that amount.

Political sources usually estimate during their two-year term members of Congress need to raise about $2 million for their reelection. Greene's on track to raise about twelve times that much.

Like we used to say in the 1990s, 'Do the math.'

 

[dudalb]

Greene's appearance at the Wilson County trump day dinner is routine? People paying $1,000 to attend an hour long private reception with a freshman member of Congress? The whole point seems to be, it is NOT routine. In Rep. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez's first three months in Congress in 2019 she fund-raised $728,000. Greene raised over four times that amount.

Political sources usually estimate during their two-year term members of Congress need to raise about $2 million for their reelection. Greene's on track to raise about twelve times that much.

Like we used to say in the 1990s, 'Do the math.'

How many appreaces did MTG make opposed to AOC?
I know the priced quoted for MTG's most recent appreance are par for the course for a fundraiser in both parties.
Oh, I think MTG is a grifter alright, and a lot of the money she raises will end up in her private pocket, but I can't be outraged by the specific prices quoted.

 

[Stacyhs]

Marginal Traitor Green? It just gets funnier.

Margarine Taylor Greene. Because she's as greasy and fake as margarine.

 

[Stacyhs]

More words of wisdom from MTG. Posted about ninety minutes ago.

Quote:
Marjorie Taylor Greene @mtgreenee
Business owners & gun owners are the greatest threat to the Democrat’s ultimate goal of socialism.

Because of their mindset.

They are independent, successful & don’t need to rely on the government.

They can’t be convinced they’re a victim.

Therefore they can’t be controlled. Twitter link

Only one? Which Democrat did she have in mind?

Well....she's right about one thing with some gun owners: they can't be controlled because they're nuts and go on shooting sprees killing innocent people.

But she's wrong when she says they can't be convinced they're a victim: work place shootings, school shootings, domestic partner shootings are usually by people who are convinced they're victims of some gross wrong.

I wonder how many "Business owners & gun owners" who don't need to rely on the government availed themselves of the Paycheck Protection Program, the COVID-19 EIDL, the Restaurant Revitalization Fund, the SBA debt relief, and/or unemployment insurance this last year?

 

[Lurch]

Well....she's right about one thing with some gun owners: they can't be controlled because they're nuts and go on shooting sprees killing innocent people.

But she's wrong when she says they can't be convinced they're a victim: work place shootings, school shootings, domestic partner shootings are usually by people who are convinced they're victims of some gross wrong.

I wonder how many "Business owners & gun owners" who don't need to rely on the government availed themselves of the Paycheck Protection Program, the COVID-19 EIDL, the Restaurant Revitalization Fund, the SBA debt relief, and/or unemployment insurance this last year?

To expand on this. Even the "law abiding" gun owner's rationale is protection against the fear of other gun owners (the "non law abiding" lot.) Which is irrational because having a gun makes one more likely to die by gunfire than by not having one.

But then, irrationality is the prime motivator in the conservative mindset and outlook.

 

[Stacyhs]

To expand on this. Even the "law abiding" gun owner's rationale is protection against the fear of other gun owners (the "non law abiding" lot.) Which is irrational because having a gun makes one more likely to die by gunfire than by not having one.

But then, irrationality is the prime motivator in the conservative mindset and outlook.

I'd say fear is the prime motivator in the conservative mindset and outlook.

When my grandmother committed suicide, guess what she used? Yep, her own gun. And that was after having shot and killed her husband during a domestic quarrel when she'd been drinking. If no gun had been in the house....

My mother's cousin's son shot and killed his estranged wife with his own gun. A friend's cousin killed herself with her own gun. I've yet to know anyone who had to protect themselves from a stranger with a gun.

 

[smartcooky]

I'd say fear is the prime motivator in the conservative mindset and outlook.

When my grandmother committed suicide, guess what she used? Yep, her own gun. And that was after having shot and killed her husband during a domestic quarrel when she'd been drinking. If no gun had been in the house....

My mother's cousin's son shot and killed his estranged wife with his own gun. A friend's cousin killed herself with her own gun. I've yet to know anyone who had to protect themselves from a stranger with a gun.

Oh, it does happen, but it is exceedingly rare. In fact, you are more likely to be shot, or fatally shot if you have a gun, than if you do not

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2759797/

For those who consider the link TL;DR, here are the results and conclusions

1. Individuals who were in possession of a gun were 4.46 times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not in possession.

2. Individuals who were in possession of a gun were 4.23 times more likely to be fatally shot in an assault.

In assaults where the victim had at least some chance to resist

3. Individuals who were in possession of a gun were 5.45 times more likely to be shot.

When we only considered independent variables that most strongly affected our models, smaller but correspondingly significant adjusted odds ratios were noted. In these reduced models

4. Individuals who were in possession of a gun were 2.55 times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not in possession.

5. Individuals who were in possession of a gun were also 3.54 times more likely to be fatally shot in an assault.

In assaults where the victim had at least some chance to resist

6. Individuals who were in possession of a gun were 2.92 times more likely to be shot.

 

[newyorkguy]

Greene gives a shout out:

Marjorie Taylor Greene @mtgreenee
Shoutout to the brave @NFL
players who are standing their ground in their workplace, refusing to take the #COVID19 vaccine that is NOT FDA approved.

Athletes are not in the risk group & shouldn’t be discriminated against for trusting their immune systems.

Great reply.

Jules Morgan @glamelegance
Athletes getting vaccinated is for the health and safety of vulnerable staff, friends and family around them. Doing something that benefits others, isn’t something you understand.
FYI, the vaccines are *authorized* for use by FDA. Look it up. Twitter link

NFL officials understand that, and are concerned about players who are refusing to be vaccinated. Last season the NFL did have a problem with players testing positive. Below is a news story that appeared in Sporting News last October,

The NFL is already facing a problem with positive COVID-19 tests just four weeks into the 2020 season. Week 4 saw two games postponed as a result of players testing positive for the coronavirus. The Steelers and Titans game was removed from the week entirely after several players/staff on Tennessee tested positive for COVID-19. Later, the Patriots and Chiefs game was postponed following positive tests on both teams. Sporting News link

 

[Stacyhs]

Gohmert had better watch out. That's MTG coming up fast to take the title of Most Stupid Person in Congress.

 

[Armitage72]

Greene gives a shout out:

Athletes are not in the risk group & shouldn’t be discriminated against for trusting their immune systems.

This is the same argument that one of the protestors demonstrating with Ricky Shroder said, mentioned in the Politics and Coronavirus thread. Basically "Vaccines are for the weak. Our superiority will protect us."

 

[Stacyhs]

This is the same argument that one of the protestors demonstrating with Ricky Shroder said, mentioned in the Politics and Coronavirus thread. Basically "Vaccines are for the weak. Our superiority will protect us."

When one of these idiots gets C19 and either dies or has debilitating long term effects I just can't find myself feeling any sympathy for them. As my husband said, "One less idiot in the world isn't necessarily a bad thing."

 

[quadraginta]

There's a difference between "Hey, if you agree with us, give us some money to help us out." and "OH MY GOD THE IMMIGRANTS AND COMMUNISTS ARE COMING THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN GIVE US MONEY OR THE AMERICA YOU KNOW IS OVER OMG!!!"

I don't see that much of a difference.

The ones that are paying for MTG rubber chicken dinners are agreeing that "OH MY GOD THE IMMIGRANTS AND COMMUNISTS ARE COMING THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN" etc.

 

[quadraginta]

Oh, it does happen, but it is exceedingly rare. In fact, you are more likely to be shot, or fatally shot if you have a gun, than if you do not

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2759797/

For those who consider the link TL;DR, here are the results and conclusions

1. Individuals who were in possession of a gun were 4.46 times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not in possession.

2. Individuals who were in possession of a gun were 4.23 times more likely to be fatally shot in an assault.

In assaults where the victim had at least some chance to resist

3. Individuals who were in possession of a gun were 5.45 times more likely to be shot.

When we only considered independent variables that most strongly affected our models, smaller but correspondingly significant adjusted odds ratios were noted. In these reduced models

4. Individuals who were in possession of a gun were 2.55 times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not in possession.

5. Individuals who were in possession of a gun were also 3.54 times more likely to be fatally shot in an assault.

In assaults where the victim had at least some chance to resist

6. Individuals who were in possession of a gun were 2.92 times more likely to be shot.

A lot of people who buy guns 'for personal protection' just assume that they will be ready and willing to use it when the crunch is on, but actually shooting another human being doesn't come as easily in real life as it does on TV. That's why it takes all that training by the army to turn high school grads into killers.

OTOH, the people who attack them with a gun or take theirs away from them are likely not as squeamish or hesitant. It isn't about just having a gun, a lot depends on who's most willing to use theirs first.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Also the ability to use it effectively if they do use it.
There is a reason the US army in WW2 replaced the pistol with a carbine rifle for none combat troops like drivers, MPs, Signalmen etc.
To use a pistol effectively takes training and practice.

 

[W.D.Clinger]

To use a pistol effectively takes training and practice.

Many years ago, I shared an apartment with a graduate of West Point. One day he and his fellow cadets were told to bring their service pistols to a range. To save money on ammunition, apparently, each was issued only one bullet. When the officer came by to watch my roommate fire his 1911, my roommate hit a bull's eye smack dab in the center. The surprised officer nodded and said "Nice shooting." When that supervisor was out of earshot, the cadet standing next to my roommate observed that he had missed his own target entirely, and asked whether my roommate had deliberately aimed at that cadet's pristine target instead of his own. No, he had not.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

A lot of people who buy guns 'for personal protection' just assume that they will be ready and willing to use it when the crunch is on, but actually shooting another human being doesn't come as easily in real life as it does on TV. That's why it takes all that training by the army to turn high school grads into killers.
OTOH, the people who attack them with a gun or take theirs away from them are likely not as squeamish or hesitant. It isn't about just having a gun, a lot depends on who's most willing to use theirs first.

Lots of practice with video games, surely?