The Marjorie Taylor Greene thread.

[Stacyhs]

I wish some people would remember that the first requirement for being part of the silent majority is to shut up.

 

[dudalb]

Marj was at Wellington Ohio last night to help trump kick off his revenge tour. At the rally Greene blasted AOC as "the little communist from New York City." When the crowd began to chant 'lock her up' Greene responded, "Right. Yeah, lock her up too, that’s a good idea."

Let's see:
"America First" was a de facto pro Nazi Germany organization in the US in the 1930's. (They were not officially pro Nazi, but everything they advocated helped Nazi Germany),
MTG has embraced "America First".
There fore MTG is pro Nazi.
Makes as much sense as her accusation that AOC is a Communist. What is good fro the goose, etc.

 

[gnome]

Let's see:
"America First" was a de facto pro Nazi Germany organization in the US in the 1930's. (They were not officially pro Nazi, but everything they advocated helped Nazi Germany),
MTG has embraced "America First".
There fore MTG is pro Nazi.
Makes as much sense as her accusation that AOC is a Communist. What is good fro the goose, etc.

Another way of looking at it though, is that someone who objects to MTG's line of reasoning should not be applying it.

Sure, you can make a case that you're doing so ironically to make the point--my question is, who are you expecting to persuade with that irony? These days lots of political arguments are so overlaid with layers of sarcasm and other forms of irony that they get mixed up with Poes and the point is lost.

Unless you think your target audience is receptive to irony, I argue it's more productive to simply call out bad reasoning plainly, or at best express it as a clear hypothetical: "You wouldn't like it if I argued this way"

 

[dudalb]

Another way of looking at it though, is that someone who objects to MTG's line of reasoning should not be applying it.

Sure, you can make a case that you're doing so ironically to make the point--my question is, who are you expecting to persuade with that irony? These days lots of political arguments are so overlaid with layers of sarcasm and other forms of irony that they get mixed up with Poes and the point is lost.

Unless you think your target audience is receptive to irony, I argue it's more productive to simply call out bad reasoning plainly, or at best express it as a clear hypothetical: "You wouldn't like it if I argued this way"

I Hope that the target audience in this thread is receptive to irony.....

 

[dudalb]

Dan Crenshaw moving into MTG Territory with his demands that an athelete be removed from the US Olymplc Team for her protest on Saturday.

 

[Stacyhs]

Dan Crenshaw moving into MTG Territory with his demands that an athelete be removed from the US Olymplc Team for her protest on Saturday.

What is the GOP line on 'cancel culture' this week? I'm getting whiplash.

Dan Crenshaw
@DanCrenshawTX
·
Jun 22, 2020
It is time to cancel Cancel Culture. This has to stop. It has no end. It is a violent purge of all things - art, speech, history - that don’t conform to the radical progressive religion. Wake up America. Hold the line.

 

[gnome]

I Hope that the target audience in this thread is receptive to irony.....

True, but the audience here scarcely needs persuading.

 

[wareyin]

True, but the audience here scarcely needs persuading.

And those that do need persuading are not reading this thread.

 

[RolandRat]

And those that do need persuading are not reading this thread.

Those that do still need persuading are beyond redemption. No amount of reasoning will resonate with these people.

 

[gnome]

Those that do still need persuading are beyond redemption. No amount of reasoning will resonate with these people.

I am reluctant to assume that people are completely beyond the reach of reason. What I'm trying to say is that there are people who can be influenced by straightforward, respectful reasoning that might not be by sarcastic reasoning.

 

[wareyin]

I am reluctant to assume that people are completely beyond the reach of reason. What I'm trying to say is that there are people who can be influenced by straightforward, respectful reasoning that might not be by sarcastic reasoning.

If someone could have been influenced by straightforward reasoning on this topic in this thread, they already have been. If they have not been influenced 43 pages in, then they aren't here reading or they are a lost cause. In both cases, sarcasm will do no harm to convincing them but will help those of us who have to deal with them blow off a little steam.

 

[gnome]

If someone could have been influenced by straightforward reasoning on this topic in this thread, they already have been. If they have not been influenced 43 pages in, then they aren't here reading or they are a lost cause. In both cases, sarcasm will do no harm to convincing them but will help those of us who have to deal with them blow off a little steam.

You know, now that I've gone back and forth a bit I'm not sure why the post I responded to set me off on that rant. I'm over it, sorry all.

 

[dudalb]

I am reluctant to assume that people are completely beyond the reach of reason. What I'm trying to say is that there are people who can be influenced by straightforward, respectful reasoning that might not be by sarcastic reasoning.

I see you seem to be lacking in the humor department.

 

[Andy_Ross]

All I know is my dads opinion of the one he carried in Vietnam was a piece of garbage and couldn't reliably hit anything. Of course the one he had was not the A version so was from WWI.

By Vietnam there weren't so many left in service. They were mainly the A2 version thathada full automatic option and an extended magazine.
If he wasn't hitting anything it was down to him and his shooting ability. They were and are reasonably accurate rifles when used as intended which is as a personal defence weapon not a battle rifle. They were a pistol and SMG substitute.
They have picked up a reputation as being of indifferent reliability but that is down to the surviving examples being around 70 years old

 

[dudalb]

By Vietnam there weren't so many left in service. They were mainly the A2 version thathada full automatic option and an extended magazine.
If he wasn't hitting anything it was down to him and his shooting ability. They were and are reasonably accurate rifles when used as intended which is as a personal defence weapon not a battle rifle. They were a pistol and SMG substitute.
They have picked up a reputation as being of indifferent reliability but that is down to the surviving examples being around 70 years old

The M16 as originally desinged by Armalite...basically a military version of the AR15 was quite reliable. BUt the the US Army Bureau Of Ordance got a hold of it and "improved" it into a piece of junk. Many claim it was deliberate, that BuOrd was angry because it was replacing the BuOrd designed M14 as the standard US combat rifle in Vietnam.
The ensuing scandle turned out to be a disaster for BuOrd.It lost much of it's power and it could no longer dictate to the other service branches when it came to weapons. The actual combat branches took the power of final decisions on weapons,
The problem with the M16 were largely fixed in 1969 and by 1970 the major problems were solved. The M16, after a very rocky start The M4, the current Standard US military rifle, is yet another variation of the basic M16 design. Not bad a gun that was first bought by the US Air Force for their base security services.
There have been a number of attempts to replace the M16 design with a "Buck Rogers/Star Wars" type weapon, but all have failed because of reliablity problems.

 

[sackett]

The US gummint restarted a carbine production line early in the run up to Nam, or so I've been told. (Damn if I can find a reference.) It was thought to be a good shoulder arm for most of the sort of engagements taking place. And of course there's that old old story about small-statured soldiers finding it suitable to their needs. (Length of pull is all that matters there, but nemmine.) It'll always have its appeal, partly from being cute and mostly from being less burden than a full-power rifle -- and that matters a whole serious lot, take it from a yardbird who hung an M14 around his neck in the ignorant armies of LBJ.

 

[ponderingturtle]

By Vietnam there weren't so many left in service. They were mainly the A2 version thathada full automatic option and an extended magazine.
If he wasn't hitting anything it was down to him and his shooting ability. They were and are reasonably accurate rifles when used as intended which is as a personal defence weapon not a battle rifle. They were a pistol and SMG substitute.
They have picked up a reputation as being of indifferent reliability but that is down to the surviving examples being around 70 years old

No I was referring to the M1911 not M1 Carbine

 

[sackett]

No I was referring to the M1911 not M1 Carbine

Maybe not many M1911s still out there, but plenty of M1911A1s, low-numbered ones too, in shooting shape and still banging. And rattling when you shake them, because they're made that way.

In the hot zone, they were considered life insurance. Still are. Always will be.

 

[kookbreaker]

I swear I've seen this thread in the History subforum....

 

[Galaxie]

To bring the thread full-circle, we need to find out what Marjorie's thoughts are on the M1 carbine and M1911 pistol