The Marjorie Taylor Greene thread.

[Dr. Keith]

Of course.
If I call someone "ugly", and they respond with "you are not attractive"- it was not a response "in kind" because the words used were not identical.
I shall take that under advisement.

If you fly a flag that supports MIA and fallen vets because a relative of yours died as a soldier and they put up a sign that says "He's not a war hero. I like people who didn't get captured." then I would not find that as a response in kind, no matter what is said via twitter.

 

[wareyin]

A flag has a gender identity??

You don't realize that flags are symbols?

 

[Distracted1]

If you fly a flag that supports MIA and fallen vets because a relative of yours died as a soldier and they put up a sign that says "He's not a war hero. I like people who didn't get captured." then I would not find that as a response in kind, no matter what is said via twitter.

Nor would I.
Of course, if I publicly proclaimed before I hung that flag that I was doing so in an attempt to "trigger" someone, it would be.

 

[Distracted1]

You don't realize that flags are symbols?

You took objection to my characterizing the flag as "vague" in meaning.

What specifically does the flag symbolize if that is the case?
Is it possible that flags are only vague symbols- and until/unless I speak up to give it context flying one can mean almost anything?

 

[smartcooky]

The Rep across the hall from Greene displays a symbol of a political position human decency with the expressed intent of making a political rival "look at it every time she opens her door". showing support for her own child who has to suffer indignity and discrimination thanks to the vile, inhuman attitudes people like Greene.

FTFY

 

[Darat]

Clearly, that bastion of unbiased reporting CNN does not think so.

They choose to label the response ( a response in kind, no less) as "antagonizing" before going on to describe how the response was provoked by deliberate, clearly stated trolling.

.....llinois Rep. Marie Newman, whose daughter is transgender, posted a video on Twitter of her hanging the pink and blue transgender pride flag outside her office Wednesday afternoon, captioning that Greene tried to block the act "because she believes prohibiting discrimination against trans Americans is 'disgusting, immoral, and evil,'" adding, "thought we'd put up our Transgender flag so she can look at it every time she opens her door" with winking and transgender flag emojis.
Somehow, that was not "antagonizing".

I can read the content of both, they are not ethically nor morally equal.

 

[Steve]

Disgusting?
The Rep across the hall from Greene displays a symbol of a political position with the expressed intent of making a political rival "look at it every time she opens her door".

Responding to that by displaying an opposing viewpoint on her own door (not a viewpoint promoting genocide, persecution, or discrimination- just an opposing one) is described as "disgusting" behavior.
That about sums up a lot of "our" politics thes days, I guess.

One person displays a symbol that expresses support for the inclusion of some marginalized Americans. The other person responds by displaying a symbol of hatred for those same marginalized Americans. And one or more posters on an internet forum try to argue that those two symbols are equally acceptable in the current American society and political system. No one should be left with any doubt of one of the main problems afflicting the USA today.

 

[Steve]

A flag has a gender identity??

Oooh, clever! ................Nah.

 

[wareyin]

You took objection to my characterizing the flag as "vague" in meaning.

What specifically does the flag symbolize if that is the case?
Is it possible that flags are only vague symbols- and until/unless I speak up to give it context flying one can mean almost anything?

Specifically, a flag symbolizes support for the thing the flag represents. In the case of a trans flag, it specifically represents support for trans people and trans rights. In the case of a sports team, it represents support for that team.

It does not represent the gender of the flag, or that the flag is a member of the sports team, or that the flag representing a country is either a citizen of that country or that the flag is that country.

I hope this clears up your confusion.

 

[Distracted1]

FTFY

A pity it has taken this long for her to support her own daughter.

 

[Distracted1]

One person displays a symbol that expresses support for the inclusion of some marginalized Americans. The other person responds by displaying a symbol of hatred for those same marginalized Americans. And one or more posters on an internet forum try to argue that those two symbols are equally acceptable in the current American society and political system. No one should be left with any doubt of one of the main problems afflicting the USA today.

Of course.
Because believing that Men and Women are terms with consistent meanings is a form of hatred.
No hyperbole there.

And, is a sign a "symbol"...did you even read the link?

 

[Steve]

A pity it has taken this long for her to support her own daughter.

Choosing to add a particular symbol of support at a certain time says absolutely nothing about support prior to that time.

 

[Distracted1]

Choosing to add a particular symbol of support at a certain time says absolutely nothing about support prior to that time.

Unless, of course, one publicly states! why they are doing it at that time and place.

 

[smartcooky]

A pity it has taken this long for her to support her own daughter.

And you know this because.....?

 

[Distracted1]

Actually, One person trolls another- announcing their intent to troll.
The trolled individual responds in kind.

Instead of taking a lesson on the corrosive nature of trolling (a favorite technique of that recently departed "he who's name shall remain unspoken") Useful idiots line up to attack based upon which "side" the participants seem to be on- taking as much liberty with how they choose to hyperbolise the incident as they desire.

DP

 

[Steve]

Of course.
Because believing that Men and Women are terms with consistent meanings is a form of hatred.
No hyperbole there.

Are you suggesting that there is some question whether Greene is considering the implied nuances in gender identity? She has likely given that topic no thought at all. Greene has made her hatred obvious, put it on display, and is proud of it.

And, is a sign a "symbol"...did you even read the link?

Yes, a sign is also a symbol. Semantics like this are merely a feeble attempt at distraction from the issue.

 

[Steve]

Unless, of course, one publicly states! why they are doing it at that time and place.

Simply wrong. Support for her daughter did not start with that public statement, time, and place.

 

[Steve]

And you know this because.....?

Distracted1 does not know this.

Deflection and distraction are not an uncommon tactic when attempts at logical argument are failing.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Had she hung the flag without announcing that she was doing it to troll her office-mate, the response would not have been appropriate.
The flag is a pretty vague symbol, after all, and could have meant anything.
She chose to give it a more specific meaning when she flat out stated that she was hanging it there to troll Greene.

Greene responded in an exactly appropriate way. In kind, and directly towards the antagonizer (labelled thus, again, because she specifically stated that hanging it there was an attempt to antagonize Greene).

Calling that act "disgusting" contributes nothing, and if anyone should face our ire, it is those who are doing so.

It was trolling and counter-troling. Both successful. The reason most here reject the reaction of Greene is that the other part were promoting freedom from interference, while she called for suppression.

Most of us dislike suppression.

Hans

 

[Distracted1]

It was trolling and counter-troling. Both successful. The reason most here reject the reaction of Greene is that the other part were promoting freedom from interference, while she called for suppression.

Most of us dislike suppression.

Hans

I am not getting your meaning with "suppression" and "freedom from interference".
care to elaborate?