The Marijuana Conspiracy

[Dandyone]

Thanks for the reply Dandyone





One reason the Federal reserve was created was to keep politics OUT of the central bank while it was controlled by the Government.

The Federal Reserve isn't owned by anyone. The twelve regional banks ARE owned by US member banks who own non-transferable shares in them.



The US govenment also selects it highest level of employees and sets their salaries.

Currency is not printed by the Fed that is done by the US Treasury

Federal Banking Agency Audit Act enacted in 1978 as Public Law 95-320 and Section 31 USC 714 of US Code establish that the Federal Reserve is audited by the Government Accountability Office (GAO).

Soooo, not owned by greedy bankers. Most of the conspiracy directed at the Fed is by people with a poor or limited understanding of how fractional banking works. Many of the 'evil' associated to or applied to the Fed is actually the methodology of how fractional banking works.

Hans, I find it very comical when even in the face of the HUGE swindle that has taken place over the last years guys like you and your cohorts here defend this fraudulant scam. Your post is something I've been getting almost word for word for years from those who are delusionally, or complicitly supporting these thieves.

If you think that you and your pals are fooling ANYONE, especially me, you are sadly mistaken. What you posted is almost word for word off of the official federal reserve website, and they have been selling this crap to the blind masses for almost a century.

Here is a recent article that explains hat is really happening for those who care to know. The Fed is dead. It will be liquidated in a matter of months and you will feel like a fool for being one of its last supporters and defenders. If you are indeed unaware of this calamity and not a paid operative, it would serve you well to read it and heed it. Thanks

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10489

Not Private and Not for Profit?

"The Fed’s website insists that it is not a private corporation, is not operated for profit, and is not funded by Congress. But is that true? The Federal Reserve was set up in 1913 as a "lender of last resort" to backstop bank runs, (intentionally created by those who set it up and shoved it up our you know what) following a particularly bad bank panic in 1907. The Fed’s mandate was then and continues to keep the private banking system intact; and that means keeping intact the system’s most valuable asset, a monopoly on creating the national money supply. Except for coins, every dollar in circulation is now created privately as a debt to the Federal Reserve or the banking system it heads.4 The Fed’s website attempts to gloss over its role as chief defender and protector of this private banking club, but let’s take a closer look. The website states:

* "The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by Congress as the operating arms of the nation’s central banking system, are organized much like private corporations – possibly leading to some confusion about "ownership." For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year."


Do some research on this subject and you will surly agree that the LEGAL CONSTITUTIONAL proposal depicted in my previous post would be far superior to the ponzi scheme we now have in place.

 

[Dandyone]

Where did this meme that everything the Fed does is secret start? How many times do we have to demonstrate it's not true?

You have demonstrated nothing except for your ignorance and sheer gullibility even in the face of a total collapse of our economy over the last 18 months. Do you get CSPAN? Have you seen ANY of the recent Congressional hearings involving Bernanke or Geithner? If it wasn't so pathetic it would be hilarious. Lay off the diet Pepsi man.

 

[Harpo]

Lay off the diet Pepsi man.

Ahhhh it's all becoming clear to me now. It's Aspartame's fault. I should've known. You've covered the evil Federal Reserve theory and told us how the X-Files are based on real life (the only thing real about them is that they feature an organisation called the FBI) and now it's diet drinks dumbing people down (to your level seemingly). Any more woo you'd like to cram into this thread?

How about the Mayan calender is based on ancient Kush crop rotation cycles?

The Loch Ness Monster is hoarding marijuana (less than 100 kilo's though - wouldn't want to get into trouble ) in his underwater lair?

UFO's made of hemp will save all the poor Palestinians from the evil empire?

Where are you going to go with these childish meanderings?

 

[Travis]

You have demonstrated nothing except for your ignorance and sheer gullibility even in the face of a total collapse of our economy over the last 18 months.

You really think the Fed was solely responsible for all the misdeeds of the banks with their dealings in the shadow banking industry? What does this have to do with their records which, in fact, are a matter of public record?

Do you get CSPAN? Have you seen ANY of the recent Congressional hearings involving Bernanke or Geithner?

Have you? Please enumerate what parts of it you think back up your proposition that it was the Fed that caused the current, now fading, recession.

If it wasn't so pathetic it would be hilarious. Lay off the diet Pepsi man.

 

[fullflavormenthol]

I love this thread. After the OP is rendered indefensible the thread just becomes a grab bag of every woo concept. Next I expect to read how President Obama is an alien funneling our tax dollars to the Annunaki on Nibiru.

 

[GreyArea]

One reason the Federal reserve was created was to keep politics OUT of the central bank while it was controlled by the Government.

Could you expand on this, or point me in the right direction? Was Congress trying to manipulate monetary policy for short-term electoral gains back then? I'm not up on my 19th century American economics.

Thanks.

 

[Sledge]

Maybe we could cut to the chase: is there a conspiracy theory Dandyone DOESN'T believe?

 

[GreyArea]

...controlled by a greedy group of theiving international bankers...

Dandyone, as someone who looks for meaning behind "coded" language, you must know who specifically is meant by this particular dog-whistle. Please don't fall for it.

http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/conspiracism.html#code

 

[Hans]

Maybe we could cut to the chase: is there a conspiracy theory Dandyone DOESN'T believe?

Oddly yes in replying to my mockery list he agreed with the government knowing about aliens but not about cities on Mars.

The 'gub'mint is hiding proof of an ancient civilization on Mars' is one of the more popular conspiracy theories but Dandyone, that discerning intellect, doesn't seem to buy into that one, go figure.

 

[Hans]

You have demonstrated nothing except for your ignorance and sheer gullibility even in the face of a total collapse of our economy over the last 18 months. Do you get CSPAN? Have you seen ANY of the recent Congressional hearings involving Bernanke or Geithner? If it wasn't so pathetic it would be hilarious. Lay off the diet Pepsi man.

Ah Dandyone I don't know how to tell you this but, well, its like this man, the economy didn't 'totally collapse' as you claim above. I have read the the Economists views on those meetings. Although a serious financial hiccup it is on the repair. Or do you not follow economic information coming out of the markets?

The economy should be up and running at full speed in 12 -18 months

 

[Horatius]

Oddly yes in replying to my mockery list he agreed with the government knowing about aliens but not about cities on Mars.

The 'gub'mint is hiding proof of an ancient civilization on Mars' is one of the more popular conspiracy theories but Dandyone, that discerning intellect, doesn't seem to buy into that one, go figure.

I read his "?" response to that as being he just hadn't heard about that one yet. Perhaps I'm judging him too harshly, though.

 

[Hans]

Hans, I find it very comical when even in the face of the HUGE swindle that has taken place over the last years guys like you and your cohorts here defend this fraudulant scam.

Hans: Because it’s not a scam but someone who only reads poorly researched conspiracy site might think that, as you obviously do.

Your post is something I've been getting almost word for word for years from those who are delusionally, or complicitly supporting these thieves.

Hans: Because it is correct-should I distort the truth? The Fed operates pretty much in the same way as all – I’ll say that again, all the other central banks in world- odd no one seems to have noticed this world wide scam...but I do realize your focus is on the US only. What you are doing is the same as your initial post, trying to promote legalization of Marijane with a silly conspiracy about Hemp, now you’re doing the same trying to complain about fractional banking by hyping another fake conspiracy about the Fed. I suggest a few weeks studying the economy – not on conspiracy websites or youtube videos however.

If you think that you and your pals are fooling ANYONE, especially me, you are sadly mistaken.

Hans: ‘We’ don’t have to you’ve fooled yourself quite nicely

What you posted is almost word for word off of the official federal reserve website, and they have been selling this crap to the blind masses for almost a century.

Hans: Because it true and easily verifiable, nor am I a ‘mass’ I have taught international Finance at the college level. Don’t you find it odd Dandyone that only people who dislike fractional banking see this ’conspiracy’, are all the financial people in the world ‘in on it’? LOL - there are over 400,000 people with more than enough knowledge to see a conspiracy if there was one - why don't they see it?

"The Fed’s website insists that it is not a private corporation, is not operated for profit, and is not funded by Congress. But is that true? The Federal Reserve was set up in 1913 as a "lender of last resort" to backstop bank runs, (intentionally created by those who set it up and shoved it up our you know what) following a particularly bad bank panic in 1907. The Fed’s mandate was then and continues to keep the private banking system intact; and that means keeping intact the system’s most valuable asset, a monopoly on creating the national money supply.

Hans: Oh my, are you suggesting we have multiple sources for the creation of the national money supply? That might be rather confusing. See the banking acts that existed before 1873 when each bank could create its own money supply.

Except for coins, every dollar in circulation is now created privately as a debt to the Federal Reserve or the banking system it heads.4 The Fed’s website attempts to gloss over its role as chief defender and protector of this private banking club, but let’s take a closer look. The website states

Hans: Would you like a public banking club, your problem as I stated before Dandyone is a distorted and incomplete understanding of how fractional banking works. Why don’t you, in your own words explain how you think it works.


* "The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by Congress as the operating arms of the nation’s central banking system, are organized much like private corporations – possibly leading to some confusion about "ownership." For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year."
Hans: You may wish to read the paragraph above – which demolishes your conspiracy

Do some research on this subject and you will surly agree that the LEGAL CONSTITUTIONAL proposal depicted in my previous post would be far superior to the ponzi scheme we now have in place.

Hans: I see you both don’t understand what a Ponzi scheme is nor how fractional banking works or what a central bank is suppose to do, tsk, tsk, I can see why you are so confused. That proposal of ‘yours’ is full of errors, misrepresentations and downright nonsense. Please read sections 5 and 6 of that and tell me what you think would happen if the USA did that – not in your fantasy world but the real world.

You are wonderfully entertaining - oh may I use these exchanges in my classes?

 

[HawksFan]

I was gonna start a revolution...but I got high...
I was gonna take down the bankers, too...but I got high...
Now I'm in a FEMA camp and I know why, yeah yeah...
Because I got high...because I got high... because I got high...
da da da da da da...

(With apologies to Afroman)

 

[Dandyone]

Well, he's stated earlier that he doesn't trust the FDA or CDC so I'm not sure who he would have run health care.

I would like to see Health Care professionals run the Health care sysyem. Doctors, nurses, public health professionals. However I support a single payer universal not for profit system of payment. This would lower the administrative costs to around 4% like Medicare as opposed to 20% in the private for profit HMO and Health Insurance industry.

Profiteering on sickness and disease should be discouraged, if not abolished along with war profiteering, and prison profiteering. Eliminating these disgustingly predatory industries would be an excellent example of the proper use of limited governmental power. It would also be extremely helpful to the economy on many fronts.

THE MARIJUANA CONSPIRACY

Harry Anslinger, head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, headed the charge. "If the hideous monster Frankenstein came face to face with the monster marihuana, he would drop dead of fright," he thundered in 1937.



Anslinger's other theme was that white girls would be ruined once they'd experienced the lurid pleasures of having a black man's joint in their mouth. "Colored students at the Univ. of Minn. partying with female students (white) smoking and getting their sympathy with stories of racial persecution," he noted. "Result, pregnancy."


The fact that a blowhard imbecile like this actually headed up a federal agency speaks VOLUMES. This guy AnSLINGER was supposedly well educated and mainstream, like you jref debunkers. His tactics are quite simalar to the modern day slingers who permeate these threads and the endless stream of charlatons they staunchly defend at every turn. The succeding heads of the FBN have been a little slicker than the original slinger, but their rhetoric adds up to much the same. A pile of crap propaganda. Do yourselves a favor and watch "American Drug War-The Last White Hope". Lays it out pretty well from the start till now.

Who the hell do you suppose cooked up this crap? The evidence shows that it was cooked up by people like Eddie Bernays at the behest of the heads of large corporations like Du Pont, Seagrams, RJ Reynolds, and spewed nation-world wide by Hearst and Reuters. Conspiracy? You bet your ass.

 

[Dandyone]

* "The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by Congress as the operating arms of the nation’s central banking system, are organized much like private corporations – possibly leading to some confusion about "ownership." For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year."


Hans: You may wish to read the paragraph above – which demolishes your conspiracy.

I guess you didn't read the short essay written by Ellen Brown. (No doubt another whacked out conspiracy theorist)

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10489

She does have a PhD, and her essay is clear and concise. The part of my post that you selected above was HER example of Fedreal Reserve PROPAGANDA, which is almost exactly what you posted earlier from their site. Sleazy tactic, meant to muddy up the water, but par for this course. Your arguments and tactics are transparent and very weak.

Do you dispute any of these FACTS? If so which ones and why?

"So let’s review:

1. The Fed is privately owned.

Its shareholders are private banks. In fact, 100% of its shareholders are private banks. None of its stock is owned by the government.

2. The fact that the Fed does not get "appropriations" from Congress basically means that it gets its money from Congress without congressional approval, by engaging in "open market operations."

Do not post copyrighted material.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Lisa Simpson

BTW-This thread appears to have gone off topic. If you would like to start a thread on the Federal Reserve or fractional reserve banking, I'd be glad to engage you there, to avoid intervention by the moderators

 

[Dandyone]

Originally posted by Hans

"Hans: Because it true and easily verifiable, nor am I a ‘mass’ I have taught international Finance at the college level. Don’t you find it odd Dandyone that only people who dislike fractional banking see this ’conspiracy’, are all the financial people in the world ‘in on it’? LOL - there are over 400,000 people with more than enough knowledge to see a conspiracy if there was one - why don't they see it?"




Have you heard od HR 1207? It is a bill sponsored by Ron Paul, whose latest book is called "End The Fed". A majority of congress has signed on as co-sponsors. Sitting behind your screen continueing to pretend that only conspiracy whack jobs are aware of the federal reserve scam is really pretty silly at this point, wouldn't you agree?

 

[HawksFan]

Funny, I read through that and must have missed the part where it talks about ending the Fed. All I saw was stuff about changing the way the Fed is audited and how the audits are reported.

 

[Hans]

Have you heard od HR 1207? It is a bill sponsored by Ron Paul, whose latest book is called "End The Fed". A majority of congress has signed on as co-sponsors. Sitting behind your screen continueing to pretend that only conspiracy whack jobs are aware of the federal reserve scam is really pretty silly at this point, wouldn't you agree?

Yes, I have but I suspect you haven't read it. What it does is expand the auditing exposure of the Fed. So how does that 'end the fed'. Are you suggesting that a bill that allows more openess of what you think is an evil gub'mint conspiracy is somehow indicative of what exactly?

Ron Paul has some very whacked out ideas. However I don't see how this bill, supports in your words, 'are aware of the federal reserve scam'. Not they are not because there isn't one. Ron Paul may think there is but not the rest of Congress.

It's politically popular to bang on banks, so be it.

I would note that after over a year it still hasn't past. Oversight is always welcomed.

[conspiracy mode].... but won't the evil conspiracy just buy off the auditors? [conspiracy mode/]

And yes we have gone off topic you may wish to start another thread and leave this one burning on a pile of hemp

 

[Dandyone]

Funny, I read through that and must have missed the part where it talks about ending the Fed. All I saw was stuff about changing the way the Fed is audited and how the audits are reported.

It is kind of funny how you missed the fact that Paul and millions of others are moving swiftly to END THE FED.

End the Fed
by Ron Paul


Before the US House of Representatives, February 4, 2009, introducing the The Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act, H.R. 833.

"Madame Speaker, I rise to introduce legislation to restore financial stability to America's economy by abolishing the Federal Reserve. Since the creation of the Federal Reserve, middle and working-class Americans have been victimized by a boom-and-bust monetary policy. In addition, most Americans have suffered a steadily eroding purchasing power because of the Federal Reserve's inflationary policies. This represents a real, if hidden, tax imposed on the American people.

From the Great Depression, to the stagflation of the seventies, to the current economic crisis caused by the housing bubble, every economic downturn suffered by this country over the past century can be traced to Federal Reserve policy. The Fed has followed a consistent policy of flooding the economy with easy money, leading to a misallocation of resources and an artificial "boom" followed by a recession or depression when the Fed-created bubble bursts.

With a stable currency, American exporters will no longer be held hostage to an erratic monetary policy. Stabilizing the currency will also give Americans new incentives to save as they will no longer have to fear inflation eroding their savings. Those members concerned about increasing America's exports or the low rate of savings should be enthusiastic supporters of this legislation.

Though the Federal Reserve policy harms the average American, it benefits those in a position to take advantage of the cycles in monetary policy. The main beneficiaries are those who receive access to artificially inflated money and/or credit before the inflationary effects of the policy impact the entire economy. Federal Reserve policies also benefit big spending politicians who use the inflated currency created by the Fed to hide the true costs of the welfare-warfare state. It is time for Congress to put the interests of the American people ahead of special interests and their own appetite for big government."

 

[Hans]

You probably want to start a new thread on the Fed

It is kind of funny how you missed the fact that Paul and millions of others are moving swiftly to END THE FED.

Swift as a dead jackal climbs a tree yeah....

On this one HR 833 there are no co-sponsors, read that zero and after 13 months its going nowhere. so what were you saying about people being aware of 'the scam'. Paul seems to think the Fed is mismanaging the economy not part of a 'scam'.

You may also start that thread by answering the many questions directed at you. From which we can start the discussion