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Merged The MANDELA Effect.

abaddon said:
Interesting perhaps. Not for the reasons you might think.
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You have my attention, please expand.


p.s did you also notice is a mostly USA Canada and UK thing?

Unlike say "Flat Earth" which is spread over much more countries
 
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William Parcher said:
Mandela Effect: You think you are correct about something but you are wrong.

Also, you may guess about something thinking that your guess is correct but you are wrong.

Is that a definition?
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You are correct about something but the universe is wrong.

Those who support the Mandela Effect do not entertain the thought that their memory is incorrect.
 
In the one article I read, from a link you provided, the conclusion is sadly missing the obvious explanation.

The pop examples he uses, like "Luke, I am your father" and "Mirror Mirror on the wall" do not come from necessarily faulty memories, but from altering our memories based on constant repetition. The wrong lines have been so often cited that they become the memory. The fallibility of memory has been tested and pretty definitely proven.

"Play it again, Sam" was mis-quoted so often that there's even a movie title by that name, and thousands of celebrity imitators repeated it over several decades.

How many decades ago did one see "Snow White"? As opposed to how many times per decade did one see someone mis-quoting the line from the movie?
 
esspee said:
You have my attention, please expand.


p.s did you also notice is a mostly USA Canada and UK thing?

Unlike say "Flat Earth" which is spread over much more countries
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Sort of.

It does seem to be a phenomenon of the english speaking christian world.

Could it be rampant in, say, China? I have no idea.
 
It doesn't help that there are entire industries designed to change people's memories.

And There is no shortage of examples. I heard of a guy who is convinced that US television showed US Muslims celebrating the destruction of the WTC in 2001. Nothing can shake him of that belief.


And as for information speed and the variety of media used today, I shudder to think what Marshall McLuhan would say if he were resurrected to witness 2016. Has Alvin Toeffler been commenting on what kind of things are happening today? I came across the phrase "data smog" while reading up on topics related to this thread, I like it.
 
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Ladewig said:
It doesn't help that there are entire industries designed to change people's memories.

And There is no shortage of examples. I heard of a guy who is convinced that US television showed US Muslims celebrating the destruction of the WTC in 2001. Nothing can shake him of that belief.


And as for information speed and the variety of media used today, I shudder to think what Marshall McLuhan would say if he were resurrected to witness 2016. Has Alvin Toeffler been commenting on what kind of things are happening today? I came across the phrase "data smog" while reading up on topics related to this thread, I like it.
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What I think is partly in play is excessive confirmation of bias, to the point that it nullifies the wisdom of the crowd. People on the whole, averaged out, can be fairly wise, but once they have access to a loudmouth, opinions tend to cluster and go stupid. Welcome to the internet and social media.
 
Hlafordlaes said:
What I think is partly in play is excessive confirmation of bias, to the point that it nullifies the wisdom of the crowd. People on the whole, averaged out, can be fairly wise, but once they have access to a loudmouth, opinions tend to cluster and go stupid. Welcome to the internet and social media.
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The ENTIRE internet is basically a confirmation bias machine.

Just look how much twitter alone has ********** the world up!
 
William Parcher said:
Mandela Effect: You think you are correct about something but you are wrong.
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Well no; in absolute fairness, not quite. A person remembering something one way when the reality was different itself doesn't constitute an instance of the so-called "Mandela Effect"; it's the number of people who make the same exact error. It wasn't just one person or a handful of people who thought they remembered that Nelson Mandela had died in prison, or that the book characters were specifically named the "Berenstein" rather than the "Berenstain" Bears; it's substantially large numbers of people who misremember it that way - ostensibly thousands.

Numbers like that suggest a commonality of cause - the confabulation is not random, but rather some particular thing or event is likely responsible for causing so many people to mis-remember a particular historical fact in a particular way. Obviously we're talking about something quite mundane here and I'm sure that a serious and motivated investigation of any instance of the "Mandela Effect" could likely uncover the causes or reasonable explanations of that particular instance.

My (perhaps incorrect) understanding is, whoever originally put forward the theory of people having "swapped realities at some point" to explain this phenomenon had done so with tongue firmly planted in cheek, but then the internet happened.
 
I think the question is whether the effect is getting worse due to Information overload. Can our brains accurately store this much information, or does a lot of it get jumbled together, or is it just because there is so much misinformation in the media and on the Internet?
 
esspee said:
The ENTIRE internet is basically a confirmation bias machine.

Just look how much twitter alone has ********** the world up!
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Agreed. going back to my Berenstain example there is a youtube video where someone shows a TV listing for the Cartoon base doff the book and it says Berenstein. Obviously this is just a typo but it feeds into it.
 
Nay_Sayer said:
Agreed. going back to my Berenstain example there is a youtube video where someone shows a TV listing for the Cartoon base doff the book and it says Berenstein. Obviously this is just a typo but it feeds into it.
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I literally had to go look in my kids' play room to see how it was spelled after your earlier post. There it was in black and white (well, blue and green actually). I had believed it to be "Berenstein" pretty much my entire life.
 
Never heard of the Mandela Effect. From its description, the mis-remembering of things has been around forever and some clown has simply rebadged such mis-remembering.

Much ado about nothing.
 
Perhaps people remember the name Berenstein because it's more common than Berenstain, so the latter somehow doesn't look right. For decades I was convinced that the actress Miriam Margolyes' surname was Margoyles.
 
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