It is hilarious to see the catatonia of Dylan. I guess your hex-fu is strong padawan Roberts.
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Miragememories
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I'm sorry stateofgrace, I'm not privy to that information.
God knows why you think I could answer that question?
I hang out at the LC forums because of the subject being discussed, not because I'm a devotee of the documentary.
Too many at JREF make the mistake of painting every person who questions them with the same brush.
MM
Miragememories
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Well ConspiRaider with you around to read my mind I won't need to bother posting at all.
"Stunting" that's a new one for me. I consider myself to be just another regular human being trying to survive in a world gone mad. I'm not dancing like crazy, though I would love to be able to tango.
No, I've never been here by any other name but you're free to believe whatever you wish of course.
Regarding my use of the description; "volcano-like explosion" for WTC 1 and 2, somehow "splat" didn't quite "cut it".
What was the trigger? Well my best guess, is a radio signal using digital encryption to avoid 'false triggering'. I have no idea why a small portion of the core briefly stood before collapsing, we live in an imperfect world.
MM
And yet you post this over at the LC thread where all the truthers are getting...erm.... excited over loose change being no. 1 on google...or number 13...or something....
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2853
hmmmmmmmmmm
Why would you think the members of this forum will be kept up tonight just because loose change (you know, the one with all the ...... ummmm... mistakes in it) is riding high in the google hit parade?
Miragememories
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Well Wildcat, I don't feel like presenting CT cases without time to prepare my presentation. I'd hate to bore everyone with the same old material and force you to cut and paste the same old responses.
Regarding the 9/11 Commission, in a nutshell I feel it was crippled from the getgo. Bush didn't want it, he resisted it's creation, it was restricted in what it could do and it wasn't comprised of impartial investigators.
While I'm impressed by how many trees NIST managed to kill with their 10,000 page report, I won't call their efforts hogwash but I am disappointed with how they base the crux of their WTC collapse beliefs on a questionable computer simulation.
MM
The Almond
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Had you read the report, you would find that NIST based much of their report on eyewitness testimonies, photographic and video evidence in addition to calculations, physical experiments, real-life simulations, stochastic calculations (that is, calculations based on the probability of an event occuring, rather than the assumption that one did) and yes, computer simulations.
Your casual dismissal of the NIST NCSTAR 1 report is indicative of someone who has spent no time reading or analyzing the report, but rather spends the time parroting the lies and poor reasoning of other conspiracy theorists. Would you care to prove me wrong?
stateofgrace
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You are correct painting people with the same brush is unfair and not nice. Equally so painting everybody here as sheep and shills who simply believe everything they are told is unfair.
I do not post on LC, mainly because I am banned but when I get bored I have look at some of the threads that are discussed on this forum and the way anybody who objects the truther line is treated. This thread is one of many that come across as highly offensive and like you rightly point out, the truth movement has no answers to this question. These questions should not need to be asked, let alone be answered by absurd and ridiculous theories. There were real people onboard these planes, real people inside the Towers and real people inside the Pentagon. On September 11th 2001 they were subject to the most appalling thing imaginable. They were murdered in the most brutal and callous manner possible. The last moments of their lives was captured on live TV and broadcast to a stunned world.
LC has no right to involve themselves in these event, they have no right to further prolong the suffering of those that these unfortunate people left behind. Yet they do, this forum spews nothing short of obscenities onto the net. Fake investigators, pretend scientists and teenagers who think it is cool and hip all join in to promote themselves and their theories. They do so without a care of the continued hurt or suffering they possibly cause. They hide behind their banner of thruthseekers and freedom fighters and pretend that it ok to voice opinions like this and that everybody should listen to them.
I am sorry mm, but LC is an insult, an insult to those who died, those that have to live with their deaths and those who tried to help. Taking the moral high ground and trying to pretend that this film and the forum are just does not wash.
If I have wrongly painted you, then simply disprove me and state what you believe happened on 911, back it up with fact and evidence. You have the opportunity right now to set the record straight and present something that has not been debunked over and over again. If you cannot, then fine, maybe LC is the place for you.
Prepare presentation for a CTer means the CTer has no facts and it will be done soon.
Soon for CTers means never.
Then most CTers throw out the same old thing they picked up from CT sites "questionable computer simulation".
Like the LC forum and most CTers there are no facts to use.
MM has no facts or evidence for his explosive theory on 9/11, just opinion that it happen. Where does a CTer come up with this stuff? How can they make it up with out facts? Who failed these guys in school for cause and effect and rational thought?
ConspiRaider
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You're already boring everyone with your tired tactic of bolding the name of the person to whom you are responding. No one does that because no one needs to. A complete waste of time, since quoting already handles that chore transparently. Therefore, you are doing this in a feeble attempt to convince us that this is your unique style. When in all likelihood, it's sleight of hand - a stunt. You're trying to convince us that you haven't been here before under a different name (or names).
And you are continuing your little game of making very general statements without really saying anything at all. To amuse yourself, and your perceived audience at another message board. CTs - lacking a sense of humor - have to resort to these types of tactics for "amusement".
Miragememories
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Well uk_dave because of threads like this one which are totally obsessed with the 'goings-on' of another site.
My comment was just an expression of how interested JREF members appeared to be in the Loose Change.
MM
Miragememories
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Almond, Have you read all 10,000 pages of the NIST Report? Are you not "parroting" your response based on what you've gleaned from second hand observations about the report?
What make's you so qualified to say my reply was "casual"?
You haven't any information whatsoever to back up your claim that I have spent no time studying the NIST 9/11 Report.
I suggest you be sure of your facts before you start behaving the way you accuse CTers of behaving!
MM
Arus808
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well, your reply is casual by your non-substance responses, and you've yet to answer any questions directly posted to you.
What do you think happened on 9/11
Please provide evidence, facts and any investigations you've done personally to back up your claims.
What do you think happened on 9/11
Please provide evidence, facts and any investigations you've done personally to back up your claims.
Have you watched Loose Change?
Do you believe it contains errors?
If so, what are the errors you're aware of?
For example : you might disbelieve the claim that Flight 93 didn't crash at Shanksville.
Actually, let's start with that right there. Do you believe Flight 93 crashed at Shanksville, killing all on board?
Answer required.
Miragememories
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Well stateofgrace, at least we start out in agreement.
I judge people here based on their words and not by the fact that they are members of JREF. People who are members of LC should be judged similarly.
Many comments made here only serve to undermine the credibility of the person making them. Not all the theories postulated in the LC Forums are "absurd and ridiculous". Granted, some are but that's inevitable when you have unfiltered posting. I have seen many posts on JREF that are speculative when drawing conclusions about members of LC and show a clear lack of concern regarding validaty. Knowing the majority will likely join in the mockery as a source of amusement, many posters abuse LC members feeling quite free to say what they wish. I don't recall seeing any 'regular' non-troofer chastise a fellow member for unwarranted belligerence.
I am well aware of the carnage that took place on 9/11 and I don't need you to remind me of it!
You have no right to tell me, or anyone else, that I don't have the right to question the validity of the Official Story regarding the events of 9/11!
To make blanket statements about a large forum like LC just betrays your bigotry and total lack of balanced judgement!
To hide behind the losses of those who were sacrificed on 9/11 in order to justify your vitriolic feelings towards all members of LC is disgusting. The LC Forum is not the LC film. Many here are so blinded by their bigotry they fail to distinguish the difference.
I am a member of LC because, to date, it's the best forum I've encountered to have a dialogue about the events of 9/11.
I make no secret about my belief that the Official Story is unbelievable for me.
The issues are too important to be buried because painful memories are awakened in the families of survivors.
MM
ConspiRaider
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Good one. I must not have paid enough attention in catechism (and there is no truth to the rumor that I was thinking of girls instead). Anyway I had to look this one up.
Just to save time for the non-thumping bible thumpers amongst us:
"As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly."
