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HeyLeroy said:
Darat's cat recently died. I couldn't put a black arm-band on murderkitty, so out of mourning I've taken him off for a few days. He'll be back.
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Oops...sorry Darat. On behalf of the NWO I would like to offer our condolences. Please accept this token of appreciation for your vouluntary service as an administrator here from the NWO and the International Lion's Club...

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ETA - there should be a comma somewhere in there...you decide :)
 
Quoted from Look-up at the LC forum:

look-up said:
Controlled Demolition of WTC is a fact. There has been no argument presented at JREF or in any official investigation to explain how the burning and possible sagging of some trusses 80 floors up would cause the 79 floors below to crumble into dust. Except by use of explosives that is. The only way that could be done is an inside job. If you'd like to present a theory of how Islamic fundamentalist-extremists could have planted the explosives... go ahead Make My Day.
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Apparently look-up hasn't been here in a while.
 
Yep, got my badge already. Fuzzhead really peeved Poxdog in the 'CD Unlikely' thread I started by calling Avery et al liars. He then had the nerve to post 'opinion against' (with reference) in the 'Molten Metal after 8 Weeks' thread. Both are in the 'World Trade Center' section. If anyonce can explain how to discern the link from the porxy page, I'll post 'em.

(ETA) We need some new Conspiracy Fantasists to come on by; this is getting to be like the Debunker's Community here.

Fresh meat, I say.
 
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Arkan_Wolfshade said:
Post rebuttals here. I'm sure we bloggers would be glad to spread it around as well.
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OK - but I'll quote somebody else if that's all right :

Responding to an article at
http://worldtradecentertruth.com/articles/Journal_5_PTransferRoss.pdf
(an article emanating from one branch or other of SfT) concerning the physics of a single storey collapse at WTC1 or 2, it was mentioned that :

His analysis is based on some very strange premises indeed :

"Analysis:
The falling upper section with a velocity of no more than 8.5 metres per second at impact would meet resistance from the impacted columns and have as its first task the necessity to load these columns through their elastic range and thereafter through the plastic shortening phase. We shall firstly examine this incremental time period...."

(my bolding)

In other words he's assuming the lower columns are being "impacted" as if the first floor to be hit was covered in a massive steel plate which would distribute the falling load evenly across the (still intact, pristine) lower columns.

There is no real-life scenario where this approach to the calculations is even remotely justified.

There followed a discussion where it was pointed out that the ends of severed core columns would not meet "dead square" and lead to a "bounce" (trust me - see the original essay :rolleyes: - the word is used) . In the debate it was suggested that columns in both sections would be impacting with floor trusses, horizontal beams would be hitting each other etc etc. In other words, a 'chaotic' collision that is totally ignored by the "learned" original analysis.

Having read the essay a few times following that, it can only be described as "a big steaming, festering, maggot-ridden pile of poo".
Feel free to quote me :)

(eta: apologies if this is old - I'll keep my eyes open for 'new' over there)



 
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GlennB said:
OK - but I'll quote somebody else if that's all right :

Responding to an article at
http://worldtradecentertruth.com/articles/Journal_5_PTransferRoss.pdf
(an article emanating from one branch or other of SfT) concerning the physics of a single storey collapse at WTC1 or 2, it was mentioned that :

His analysis is based on some very strange premises indeed :

"Analysis:
The falling upper section with a velocity of no more than 8.5 metres per second at impact would meet resistance from the impacted columns and have as its first task the necessity to load these columns through their elastic range and thereafter through the plastic shortening phase. We shall firstly examine this incremental time period...."

(my bolding)

In other words he's assuming the lower columns are being "impacted" as if the first floor to be hit was covered in a massive steel plate which would distribute the falling load evenly across the (still intact, pristine) lower columns.

There is no real-life scenario where this approach to the calculations is even remotely justified.

There followed a discussion where it was pointed out that the ends of severed core columns would not meet "dead square" and lead to a "bounce" (trust me - see the original essay :rolleyes: - the word is used) . In the debate it was suggested that columns in both sections would be impacting with floor trusses, horizontal beams would be hitting each other etc etc. In other words, a 'chaotic' collision that is totally ignored by the "learned" original analysis.

Having read the essay a few times following that, it can only be described as "a big steaming, festering, maggot-ridden pile of poo".
Feel free to quote me :)

(eta: apologies if this is old - I'll keep my eyes open for 'new' over there)
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Done: http://arkanwolfshade.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!9E151F6EB6C7A35D!330.entry
 
A post from Merc.

"Cool man,

But just so you know, that only requires more theorizing than what's needed.

We need to abandon the small plane (and the missile) IMO, because it will only cause more division and more debate.

It was a large plane.

It flew over. No one told us about a small plane. The witnesses at the Citgo practically followed it until the explosion, I am sure they would have seen something from the right side or the South side of the Citgo.

What if the large plane dropped the debris?

Or the debris was blown from the trailers or near them?"
 
Oliver said:
Maybe Russel is banned to - you never know with these
crazy dictators over there. I guess Quest is one who does
not support Russels idea and IVXX is also someone who
isn´t very neutral. Plus: There are pissed because there
is nothing new to the issue and the board is nearly dead
compared to the old one...
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Maybe if we quit the blak ops the board would die?

Were do I go for unemloyment?

Sad..
 
h8bush has found a real "smoking gun":

h8bush said:
My aunt had a women working for her and she married an Arab, they where married for a few years and then her co-workers husband told her not to go to New York on Sept 11 and he disappeared...

(just thought i should share this piece of truth)
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The reactions are great. His comrades want evidence, talk about urban legends, imply he is lying, and of course:

mrfreeze said:
Did anyone ever stop to consider that maybe H8Bush is actually a troll who posts outrageous bs like this and then laughs when some of us here take the bait? It seems pretty suspicious to me.
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EvilBiker said:
Oh yes, Roxdog is quite the piece of work. Take a look at this:

http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/signs/editorials/signs20060704_TheBlackestofLies.php
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Not long ago, I said the alternative media is broken. But the alternative media is not just broken. By and large, it is controlled, co-opted, doomed, diseased, dysfunctional, and basically dead in the water. It's devolved into a stinking cesspool of lies and filth that is anything but alternative or truthful, and serves no patriot, truth seeker, or human being for that matter. The only entity it DOES serve is the enemy. More aptly put, the alternative media is fully exposed as another facet of the enemy. It is the enemy. There is no movement, patriot or otherwise. All that exists is a fa�ade, a sham, a caricature of a movement and an alternative media. This is garbage dressed up as truth, the kind of manure that busts the pipes.

If an already extensive lineup of censors, cowards, fear-mongers, hypocrites, sell-outs, grifters, con-men, compulsive liars and weird men prancing around in black briefs promoting peak oil and population reduction wasn't enough for you to absorb, then by all means, get a belly full of the psychopaths at Revere Radio Network. Every infiltrated truth effort is allotted its share of psychopaths, I suppose. Welcome to the Cuckoo's Nest.
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Oh, my. It's surprising someone this paranoid isn't curled up in the fetal position sucking his thumb.
 
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