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Calcas said:
I think they went on a hunting spree today and eliminated all skeptics (again.)

The 12 page Gravy thread was also erased.
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If they were members in here, i would sew them some
"I´m a dumb nazi and all i get is this lousy" -badge/s. :rolleyes:
 
Oliver said:
What was your last message over there?
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This was, I believe:

Actually, yes. The reason that they look so different is because of where the damage was and how the structure failed. WTC 7 looks more like a conventional implosive demolition because of how it failed - it's much more similar to what we're familiar with when we see buildings purposely imploded on TV. The structure failed at the bottom where there was a major load transfer truss between the newer WTC7 structure and the sub-station it was built over. When the support there went, gravity pulled the rest of the building down, from the inside-out. Of course, there are differences: the debris field wasn't nearly as carefully placed as you would like in a demo; also there were no visible or audible explosions from cutting charges.

I say looks like a CD, because that's the only way to describe it in figurative language. We don't have any other similar thing to which to compare it. But it's still just a figure of speech - a comparison - in this case, a simile. It's not literal. For instance, if I was trying to describe a Boeing 757 to you, I might say that it looked like a DC-10. That doesn't mean that I think that it IS a DC-10, I'm just using comparative language that I hope you can relate to to describe it. And, to someone who isn't an expert at identifying different types of planes, that's a pretty valid comparison.

To someone who is an expert, my comparison may seem innacurate because they're aware of the more nuanced differences between the two. I think that's the root of your misunderstanding.
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It was in the 12-page Gravy Freemasonry thread. I didn't bring up the topic, however. I had also disagreed with an "admin" (the one with the 'mean people suck' avatar) last night who was saying that the NIST proved that the fires didn't weaken the steel in the WTC at all. (this was in the Kevin Ryan Legal Defense thread) But, I was very respectful about that, also, and if you can't politely disagree with people, what's the point of having a forum?
 
There must have been a reason for god to create women...
...to torture us innocent, hairy, beings

I just piced on innocent

We all are guilty of living.
 
Minadin said:
This was, I believe:

It was in the 12-page Gravy Freemasonry thread. I didn't bring up the topic, however. I had also disagreed with an "admin" (the one with the 'mean people suck' avatar) last night who was saying that the NIST proved that the fires didn't weaken the steel in the WTC at all. (this was in the Kevin Ryan Legal Defense thread) But, I was very respectful about that, also, and if you can't politely disagree with people, what's the point of having a forum?
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Never mind - the point for them to have a forum is to hoard people
who agree with their theories. And being banned for disagreeing with
an admin is worth the legendary badge of honor:

___________________________________________
Congratulations, Minadin!

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Brothers and Sisters, we are once again gathered here to
bestow upon a fellow forumite, our highest distinction,
the blue badge of Honor and Courage!

A fellow skeptic, Minadin has fought the good fight,
and yet has been banned by the quote-miners,
google-searchers, and YouTube-vigilantes.

I say, “Yes” unto him!

Having placed his very sanity at risk,… venturing into the
caves of ig-no-rance and ob-fu-sca-tion… to the land, I say
to you, where fertilizer hangs from the trees like Spanish
moss... to that cistern of non-sequiturs... the land where
no math is known…. Yes! I am speaking of that vile
sanctum of braindead barely post pubescent
white boys..... Loose Change Forum v.2.

Yet, our valiant Minadin has returned, perhaps minus
a few brain cells, but nevertheless back to the bosom of
logic and rational thinking.

For your dedication to truth and your steadfast rejection of
[rule8], we bestow upon you the highest honor at JREF/CT

The Blue Badge of Honor and Courage.

Wear it proudly for you have braved the harshest
conditions of sheer stupidity known to man.
___________________________________________
​
 
Thanks, Oliver.

Unfortunately, I was not trying to be banned, rather, I was trying to find out how long I could go, posting in a polite and honorable manner, while disagreeing with a lot of their assertions. Perhaps naively, I was hoping that some piece of insight I provided would resonate with at least one person over there, and maybe change a mind or two. At least, I thought, I could get them to correct some of their more obvious mistakes, things like:

- 42 second free-fall times
- Kevin Ryan's letter was an internal memo
- Income taxes are unconstitutional

I didn't mock anyone or even their ideas, I didn't call anyone names or cast doubt about their motives, I didn't spam the board or make any inappropriate posts; in fact, almost all of my posts were directly in response to a question posted by someone else.

Therefore, it's clear to me that the powers that be over there don't really have any desire to have their ideas challeneged in any sort of rigorous way. They don't have any desire to learn or grow. You would think that they would want people with other ideas around, if only to shore up any possible holes in their theories. I guess you would be wrong.

I thought that when they opened these new boards, Russell Pickering said that they would be more open to having a discourse over there, as long as we were couteous and weren't merely "trolling". I wonder what has happened to that ideal. Russell hasn't logged in there in over 2 weeks.
 
Minadin said:
Thanks, Oliver.

Unfortunately, I was not trying to be banned, rather, I was trying to find out how long I could go, posting in a polite and honorable manner, while disagreeing with a lot of their assertions. Perhaps naively, I was hoping that some piece of insight I provided would resonate with at least one person over there, and maybe change a mind or two. At least, I thought, I could get them to correct some of their more obvious mistakes, things like:

- 42 second free-fall times
- Kevin Ryan's letter was an internal memo
- Income taxes are unconstitutional

I didn't mock anyone or even their ideas, I didn't call anyone names or cast doubt about their motives, I didn't spam the board or make any inappropriate posts; in fact, almost all of my posts were directly in response to a question posted by someone else.

Therefore, it's clear to me that the powers that be over there don't really have any desire to have their ideas challeneged in any sort of rigorous way. They don't have any desire to learn or grow. You would think that they would want people with other ideas around, if only to shore up any possible holes in their theories. I guess you would be wrong.

I thought that when they opened these new boards, Russell Pickering said that they would be more open to having a discourse over there, as long as we were couteous and weren't merely "trolling". I wonder what has happened to that ideal. Russell hasn't logged in there in over 2 weeks.
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Maybe Russel is banned to - you never know with these
crazy dictators over there. I guess Quest is one who does
not support Russels idea and IVXX is also someone who
isn´t very neutral. Plus: There are pissed because there
is nothing new to the issue and the board is nearly dead
compared to the old one...
 
A couple of thoughts.

Firstly, we all know how the LC forums are run. Further discussion on this subject is not really productive (though perhaps cathartic).

Secondly, it would appear that LC, in any of its current, or future, incarnations is falling by the wayside when looking at the 9/11 movement as a whole.

Given those talking points, I'd like to see us deemphasize the activities over there and focus more on the movers and shakers (SfT911, Ryan, A. Jones, etc)

Just my US$0.02
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
Given those talking points, I'd like to see us deemphasize the activities over there and focus more on the movers and shakers (SfT911, Ryan, A. Jones, etc *snip*
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Do these guys have fora, too? I mean the Twoofments™ biggest
place of refuge is the nearly dead Loose Change forum, beside
the spacy "Astronauts for Truth™", isn´t it?
 
Minadin said:
Unfortunately, I was not trying to be banned, rather, I was trying to find out how long I could go, posting in a polite and honorable manner, while disagreeing with a lot of their assertions. Perhaps naively, I was hoping that some piece of insight I provided would resonate with at least one person over there, and maybe change a mind or two. At least, I thought, I could get them to correct some of their more obvious mistakes, things like:

- 42 second free-fall times
- Kevin Ryan's letter was an internal memo
- Income taxes are unconstitutional

I didn't mock anyone or even their ideas, I didn't call anyone names or cast doubt about their motives, I didn't spam the board or make any inappropriate posts; in fact, almost all of my posts were directly in response to a question posted by someone else.
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That's the same exact thing that I did. And after about three weeks of that, which was mostly greeted with naked hostility, I was unceremoniuosly banned.

For the most part, I was just trying to satisfy my intellectual curiousity. I wanted to see what these people are really about. And now I know.
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
A couple of thoughts.

Firstly, we all know how the LC forums are run. Further discussion on this subject is not really productive (though perhaps cathartic).

Secondly, it would appear that LC, in any of its current, or future, incarnations is falling by the wayside when looking at the 9/11 movement as a whole.

Given those talking points, I'd like to see us deemphasize the activities over there and focus more on the movers and shakers (SfT911, Ryan, A. Jones, etc)

Just my US$0.02
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Well, maybe a few things have slipped through the censors' nets over there lately that might have given one or two more 'rational' LC'ers pause for thought. Maybe ....

I was at a branch of SfT911 - "The Journal of 9/11 Studies" - just a while back looking at a ridiculous analysis of the physics of WTC1+2 collapse. How would anyone respond without submitting a formal article?
 
GlennB said:
Well, maybe a few things have slipped through the censors' nets over there lately that might have given one or two more 'rational' LC'ers pause for thought. Maybe ....

I was at a branch of SfT911 - "The Journal of 9/11 Studies" - just a while back looking at a ridiculous analysis of the physics of WTC1+2 collapse. How would anyone respond without submitting a formal article?
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Post rebuttals here. I'm sure we bloggers would be glad to spread it around as well.
 
Coritani said:
Strange. They're not 'problems', it just says I'm not 'permitted to use this board'.

Maybe they IP banned me without banning the Truth_Sword account. Can you even do that?
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I think they can ban an IP range....

Coritani said:
Thanks very much for the compliments.

I first believed in the CT. Then I read Gravy's Loose Change Guide. It changed everything. What struck me most was not the errors in the truth movement, but the flat out lies. I found JREF when I was googling something about WTC 7. I'm happy I did - I like it here.
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Welcome to the NWO shill fold!:D

Calcas said:
I think they went on a hunting spree today and eliminated all skeptics (again.)

The 12 page Gravy thread was also erased.
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They didn't get that new Fuzzhead person yet. He/she be a ninja anyone?
 
HyJinX said:
HeyLeroy...where the heck is your pissed-off cat avatar?
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Darat's cat recently died. I couldn't put a black arm-band on murderkitty, so out of mourning I've taken him off for a few days. He'll be back.
 
Now I feel like a boob for posting a cat picture :(

Condolences to Darat on his loss.
 
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